Gülenist NBA player Enes Kanter disowned by family for ties with FETÖ

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

LOL. Not what I meant. Also, I don't even think you understand what's going on with the Kanter situation (it's the opposite of what you said). So I don't know where to start.

But but but... Its the all knowing Internet


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[akirac73]

If I had a son that turned out to be like Enes Kanter, I'd probably disown him too. Just being honest...

 

[MT Steve]

3. Sacrifice could simply mean he was willing to sacrifice the support of his parents (having oontact w/) and not the literal sacrifice of their lives.

Eh, I don't know. The translation from the tweet is:

For the hizmet¹, the hizmet that grew with the tears of devoted, loyal people I would sacrifice not one Enes but a thousand, for the sake of hocaefendi I would sacrifice my father, mother, my siblings and my relatives. For this cause I would not only sacrifice my hair if asked for, I would sacrifice my head. For the path of hizmet, may my father and mother be sacrificed, for this cause may they be sacrificed.

Sounds pretty damn nutty to be honest. Could be an imperfect translation though. I hope that's the case.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Eh, I don't know. The translation from the tweet is:



Sounds pretty damn nutty to be honest. Could be an imperfect translation though. I hope that's the case.

Again, sacrifice doesnt mean he is going out and killing them in the name of his religion. It just means he is willing to sacrifice their support. I also somehow doubt his family is anti-Guilen. They might be saying so to safe face in Turkey, but they sent Kanter to Guilen funded private schools in America.

He also changed his name to Guilen, so that might be what he means by sacrificing his family, by abandoning the Kanter name.

Right or wrong I can admire an athlete for standing up for what he believes in.

 

[♪alt13]

This is what he wrote in its entirety

Today i lost my mother, father, brothers and sisters, my family and all my relatives. My own father asked me to change my surname. My mother, who has given me life disowned me. My brothers and sisters with which we have grown together ignore me. My relatives don’t want to see me again.

For Gulen’s work, which has been grown by the tears of loyal and devoted people, not one but thousands of Enes could be sacrificed. I would sacrifice my mother, father and whole family for Gulen’s sake.

I would give my head for this case. I hope my God would take from my life and give it to Gulen. I would sacrifice my heaven and i would laugh through hells for this service. My love for Gulen is more than my love to my mom, father, brothers and sisters and all other loves.

My mom and my father would be sacrifice for you, for this service, for this case. There should be no doubt for everybody! God will take care to those people who are the supporters of this case, God will ramp up! Hang on my big brothers, hang on my big sisters! Hang in there! Let’s not lose that test. Let’s not be the losers at that victorious time. From now on, my sisters and brothers are the supporters of that service in 171 countries. Soldiers of that service are my brothers and sisters. From now on, my family is my Hodja (Gulen) who has tears in his eyes. Tyrants will be swept away in time. Hang on, God is with us. My god will make everything good It’s an indispensable case. There is God, there isn’t grief.

Enes (Kanter) Gulen

 

[Siro]

This is what he wrote in its entirety

He sounds like a lunatic.

 

[Siro]

Here's the Wikipedia entry on Gulen for those interested.

Here's the part about his views:

Secularism
Gülen has criticized secularism in Turkey as "reductionist materialism". However, he has in the past said that a secular approach that is "not anti-religious" and "allows for freedom of religion and belief, is compatible with Islam."[66]

According to one Gülen press release, in democratic-secular countries, 95% of Islamic principles are permissible and practically feasible, and there is no problem with them. The remaining 5% "are not worth fighting for."[67]

Turkey bid to join the EU
Gülen has supported Turkey's bid to join the European Union and has said that neither Turkey nor the EU have anything to fear, but have much to gain, from a future of full Turkish membership in the EU.[66]

Women's roles
According to Aras and Caha, Gülen's views on women are "progressive".[42] Gülen says the coming of Islam saved women, who "were absolutely not confined to their home and ... never oppressed" in the early years of the religion. He feels that extreme feminism, however, is "doomed to imbalance like all other reactionary movements" and eventually "being full of hatred towards men."[68]

Terrorism
Gülen has condemned terrorism.[69] He warns against the phenomenon of arbitrary violence and aggression against civilians and said that it "has no place in Islam". He wrote a condemnation article in the Washington Post on September 12, 2001, one day after the September 11 attacks, and stated that "A Muslim can not be a terrorist, nor can a terrorist be a true Muslim."[70][71] Gülen lamented the "hijacking of Islam" by terrorists.[13]

Gaza flotilla
Gülen criticized the Turkish-led Gaza flotilla for trying to deliver aid without Israel's consent.[72] He spoke of watching the news coverage of the deadly confrontation between Israeli commandos and multinational aid group members as its flotilla approached Israel's sea blockade of Gaza. He said, "What I saw was not pretty, it was ugly." He has since continued his criticism, saying later that the organizers' failure to seek accord with Israel before attempting to deliver aid was "a sign of defying authority, and will not lead to fruitful matters."[73]

Syrian Civil War
Gülen is strongly against Turkish involvement in the Syrian Civil War.[74] While rejecting the Turkish government's desire to topple the Syrian government of President al-Assad, Gülen supports the military intervention against ISIS.[75]

 

[The Midnight]

He sounds like a lunatic.

Haha... sometimes I wonder if 'comedic writer' is a more suitable career for you.

 

[Siro]

Haha... sometimes I wonder if 'comedic writer' is a more suitable career for you.

It's true that I'm hilarious. But I'm also amazing at so many other things, so it's a tough choice.

 

[The Midnight]

Here's the Wikipedia entry on Gulen for those interested.

Here's the part about his views:

Those things sound pretty reasonable, no?

 

[Siro]

Those things sound pretty reasonable, no?

Like I said, his take on religion is very normal. But this is a Wikipedia entry, not an in depth analysis of what he's all about.

 

[The Midnight]

Like I said, his take on religion is very normal. But this is a Wikipedia entry, not an in depth analysis of what he's all about.

Also wasn't Okur openly against the current Turkish government as well, and is in favour of a more progressive & secular state?


I mean Kanter is not the most diplomatic person, hence his comments may have come across as 'ridiculous', but what if he had said it in a more diplomatic way?

 

[Hekate]

Also wasn't Okur openly against the current Turkish government as well, and is in favour of a more progressive & secular state?


I mean Kanter is not the most diplomatic person, hence his comments may have come across as 'ridiculous', but what if he had said it in a more diplomatic way?

Okur is a "Kemalist", if you will. He supports the the principles of Atatürk like secularism or reformism.

It's more like left side of the middle.

 

[Revolution 9]

What a mess. I have seen the spill over here in Germany. Some families were moved from Turkey bases to Germany.
We should get the hell out of there.

As much as I dislike Kanter the death threats, and this personal situation are tough. Enes did a lot of good things
over the summer visiting children all over the world. I just wish he didnt sell us out so hard, or at least
be more respectful on his way out.

 

[fishonjazz]

Again, sacrifice doesnt mean he is going out and killing them in the name of his religion. It just means he is willing to sacrifice their support. I also somehow doubt his family is anti-Guilen. They might be saying so to safe face in Turkey, but they sent Kanter to Guilen funded private schools in America.

He also changed his name to Guilen, so that might be what he means by sacrificing his family, by abandoning the Kanter name.

Right or wrong I can admire an athlete for standing up for what he believes in.

He changed his name? His name is now enes guilen rather than enes kanter?

 

[Maneesh]

He really said he'd sacrifice any of his family for that guy? If I was OKC's owner I'd buy out his contract, or just do anything possible to cut ties with this idiot!!

Please stop cal people idiot please and thanks to you.

 

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

The one thing that smells funny is that ISIS has used a simple strategy in Iraq and Syria. That is to create civil war, confusion, and from there generate support and attention. The Iraq war was the jump off point for al zarqawi who proceeded to make the public angry. He attacked his own people and sacred buildings constantly to confuse and upset the public. They did the same thing in Syria. Turkey is 3 hours from Aleppo folks. I would imagine that they would love unrest in Turkey and they would sponsor civil war there as well.

Ugly stuff. I don't know anything about gulen, but I have studied out the history of ISIS and their leaders and causing political unrest is their trademark.

Not saying anything about Kanter here. Just that opportunists a few hours south would love a political rats nest in turkey.

Dissapointed human...

 

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

PS. This thread is hardly jazz related. It should be moved.

 

[silesian]

Please stop cal people idiot please and thanks to you.

Calling people an idiot is part of Thee's core. If he stops it, he ceases to exist. So please spare his life.

 

[MT Steve]

Again, sacrifice doesnt mean he is going out and killing them in the name of his religion. It just means he is willing to sacrifice their support

And then he immediately went on to say he'd also sacrifice his own head. I don't think he meant he's willing to sacrifice the support of his own head, lol.