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Pleiss Traded to Philly!!!

LjJazzman said:
Meh. Cutting him would have been better for the "fans". We are going to just cut Kendal so this move is basically the Jazz giving away two picks to get rid of Tibor. Not good.
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It's essentially trading 2 seconds for 3 Mil. I'm indifferent on it.


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Magic Spray said:
it's ok, cuz philly is not a basketball team.
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They apparently still have about 16 million to go to reach the floor so this will not be the last time they do this type of trade this season. They could easily end up with the 1st and 4th pick this year. Get a PG and SG and they should be set for at least 7 years.
 
NCJazz said:
They apparently still have about 16 million to go to reach the floor so this will not be the last time they do this type of trade this season. They could easily end up with the 1st and 4th pick this year. Get a PG and SG and they should be set for at least 7 years.
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How are we from floor?

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latin jazz said:
Not every 1st or 2nd are worth the same. Because we were able to sell one for 3M doesn't mean that's their value looking into the future. This last draft there were several good projects that fell to the 2nd round. Their value is set on draft night by how much money a particular team is willing to pay when a player drops.

Anyone has any idea how much we paid for the 1st that net us Rudy? it seems it was below 3M
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Assign whatever value you'd like... it is still more valuable than teaching the guy a lesson and getting nothing.
 
silesian said:
Fav compares this to the possible option of 10/10 followed by 4 year max, which in combination is 6 years, but bears with it injury and performance degradation risk. He may want to take that chance, when compared to signing now and being locked down for only 3-4 years.

Locke implied that Fav will only sign a max-now extension, he framed it in terms of "fairness" and feels that he is worth the max now (an extension like Harden's). Locke seems to believe that Favors extension is unlikely for this reason. Not sure if this is his gut or if he has first-hand knowledge based on discussion with Fav or others with inside knowledge.
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Favs will do an extension but it will only add one real year... the other year will be a player option. It will be the max this year then a bit lower than what his max will be.

He should want to sign his deal after he has 9 years of service so that he is eligible for supermax. All this might change with a new CBA though so planning/projecting isn't easy.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Greg Miller getting cheap. That's a lot to spend to dump 3,000,000.
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How so? This is a very good financial move and basketball move. The Jazz are getting out of Pleiss's contract for a couple of second round picks. Jazz have a ton of picks so they don't need second round picks. This opens up a slot for JB.
 
stitches said:
Well they just sold a trade back in the second for 3M. Those seconds are worth at least Pleiss' salary + we are giving them more money according to Woj.
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That trade back was an extremely rare situation. I doubt a similar trade has ever involved that much money. Just because DL got an incredible deal on that does not mean that second round picks are now worth millions.
 
infection said:
No. But I wouldn't have dealt him for a heap of trash, either, and then gone on to talk about the "haul" we got for him. Most importantly would be to send him a message to STFU and learn his place. Granted there was positive chemistry changes when it happened, but I didn't care for the precedent of accommodating his wishes on demand. Wouldn't have made it comfortable for him and just let his contract expire and walk if there wasn't anything better on the table.



It doesn't matter what they'd do now. It only matters what anyone would have done then.
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I bet you cannot find a single source, not even the dumbest message board poster, who called what we got for Kanter a "haul." Everybody knew he destroyed whatever trade value he had. Anybody who wanted Kanter simply needed to offer a bag of peanuts to the Jazz, or wait until he was a free agent and pick him up for nothing.
 
Just woke up to this... sorry but it's definitely the case of egg on the face for DL .. he traded for Pleiss, went and see him in Europe, brought him over to the States, signed him up to a long term contract, he barely played in the NBA, and now we have to pay to get rid of him.


It's OK though if this is his only miss-step amongst all of the good things DL has done... (drafting Gobert, Hood, Lyles, getting Quin Snyder, trading for Hill, getting Joe Johnson, changing our culture).


It's a blemish for sure on his resume, but he's still wayyy better than 80% of all the GMs in the league.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Favs will do an extension but it will only add one real year... the other year will be a player option. .
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Well yes, Favors would want this structure for sure. But I don't see why the Jazz are going to be willing to shell out an extra $20MM++ over the next 2 years in exchange for only one extra year.
 
ONE LOVE said:
Just woke up to this... sorry but it's definitely the case of egg on the face for DL .. he traded for Pleiss, went and see him in Europe, brought him over to the States, signed him up to a long term contract, he barely played in the NBA, and now we have to pay to get rid of him.


It's OK though if this is his only miss-step amongst all of the good things DL has done... (drafting Gobert, Hood, Lyles, getting Quin Snyder, trading for Hill, getting Joe Johnson, changing our culture).


It's a blemish for sure on his resume, but he's still wayyy better than 80% of all the GMs in the league.
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I like the fact that DL is willing to cut his losses. Unlike some people on this board he understands that sunk costs play no role whatsoever in determining value going forward.
 
ONE LOVE said:
It's OK though if this is his only miss-step amongst all of the good things DL has done... (drafting Gobert, Hood, Lyles, getting Quin Snyder, trading for Hill, getting Joe Johnson, changing our culture).
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His biggest misstep was not offering Hayward a 5 year max. We'd have him locked up for next 2 years on "old mini-max" contract, and now year 5 will be much more expensive and Hayward could walk. This dwarfs the Pleiss bungle.

Full disclosure: (1) this is hindsight 20/20, I mistakenly supported DL's move with Hayward at the time. (2) I'm a total DL homer, but no one is perfect
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
I like the fact that DL is willing to cut his losses. Unlike some people on this board he understands that sunk costs play no role whatsoever in determining value going forward.
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And also that he COVERED his losses by trading down for $3m to grab Bolomboy, ... I now firmly believe that the move was made to use that $3m to cut Pleiss.
 
ONE LOVE said:
And also that he COVERED his losses by trading down for $3m to grab Bolomboy, ... I now firmly believe that the move was made to use that $3m to cut Pleiss.
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I don't. The ability to use the money for Pleiss was totally irrelevant to doing the trade. He did the trade because $3million to trade down in the second round (and potentially end up getting the guy we wanted in the first place anyway) is an awesome deal for us. He would have taken the trade even if he had never heard the name Tibor Pleiss in his life, because Tibor had nothing whatsoever to do with this trade.
 
silesian said:
Well yes, Favors would want this structure for sure. But I don't see why the Jazz are going to be willing to shell out an extra $20MM++ over the next 2 years in exchange for only one extra year.
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Yeah obviously we'd save in that third year but it would not equal the $20 we handed out. Would buy us some time, give us flexibility, and increase his trade value if we went that route. It's not a complete homerun financially though. Maybe they would need to tack on one more year... or flip it from a PO to a TO.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
I don't. The ability to use the money for Pleiss was totally irrelevant to doing the trade. He did the trade because $3million to trade down in the second round (and potentially end up getting the guy we wanted in the first place anyway) is an awesome deal for us. He would have taken the trade even if he had never heard the name Tibor Pleiss in his life, because Tibor had nothing whatsoever to do with this trade.
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Well what if there were no takers and we had to cut our losses with Pleiss (i.e., buy him out)? I mean in SL he doesn't even look like he belong there let alone the NBA.


So the $3m would have come in handy if we had to buy out his contracts.
 
ONE LOVE said:
Well what if there were no takers and we had to cut our losses with Pleiss (i.e., buy him out)? I mean in SL he doesn't even look like he belong there let alone the NBA.


So the $3m would have come in handy if we had to buy out his contracts.
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They are two different deals. Do you honestly think that DL would have passed on the 2nd round pick trade because he didn't need money to buy out Pleiss?
 
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