Never Trump
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You need to come out of your University cubby hole a little more.
Donald Trump does not fact check before talking, and he speaks mostly for effect in his stage presence projection sort of manner, but he is no hypocrite. He is what he is, and he owns it very well. People can count on him to lead America with American values put up front, even if he runs with a globalist sort of world. He would not take us out of the UN, he would make US interests important to the UN. He would not cut any players out of the deal, but nobody would be getting favors at our expense. He thinks he is American, and he wants Americans to have opportunity. He is in some respects like JFK, in that he is just not "owned" by anyone and he really intends to put our policies on a better footing and get a better deal.
He is a different kind of "liar" if you can even rightly claim that. Hillary lies because what she is going to do is favor her in-crowd and cut us out of the deal. Trump doesn't need to do that. He has a whole different motive for any disingenuous statement, for him it's about getting a better deal, in his estimate of what that means.
I don't see any Hitler in Trump, no real sociopath, just someone who has made it his style of leadership to talk loose and disarm the other folks at the table with his style, while actually keeping pretty close track of what the deal is going to be.
Smart, in a sorta charming way..... even with his political uncorrectness. The reason you don't need to be so afraid of him is that he is not committed to his banter, and he's looking you in the face figuring what it'll take to bring you around. Actually being interested in the other guy is not a sociopath diagnostic.
How do you know this? There is no way to know what kind of politician he will be because there is no precedent. But he has decades of proof of this "persona" he has created that you think he will easily shed. No proof of that beyond your wishful thinking.
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But that's what the shock jock radio guys babe worships say, it must be true. They would never lie or make stuff up, they tell it like it is. Your just brain washed by the lying liberal media and all the main stream agenda. You don't want to know the truth, you can't handle it!
Babe has almost convinced me to vote for Hillary instead of Stein.
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Yeah, I see it totally differently.
Donald Trump does not fact check before talking, I agree with that. But I see him as a fairly classic demagogue, saying whatever he thinks he needs to in order to win people over. Not because he believes it. That's why his stories change constantly, and why no one actually knows what his policies will be. And that's every bit as much of a liar as Mrs. Clinton. And every bit as dangerous to the country.
Yeah, I agree he's not Hitler. "Disarming", though? Nah, not even close. "Keeping close track of what the deal is going to be"? Nope, not that either.
No, not smart at all. Just gifted in his ability to make some people believe him.
Being interested in the other guy? No, I don't think so. Not sincerely, anyway. Only as interested as it's going to take for him to get what he wants.
I hope I'm wrong about him, should he win the election.
But which one needs to come out of our cubby hole? To me it seems like you're the one living in Neverland. I guess we'll find out if he wins.
I've been looking at Trump videos going back ten years. I just linked an article that substantially corroborates this view in another thread, which gave a quote from Larry King where Trump discussed his view of politics and idea of running for Pres.
But hey, people change.......sometimes..... sometimes they even change for the better.
No, I'm just trying to be realistic in my appraisal, just looking for indicators of what moves Trump and why he does stuff. The guy likes to win. Little chance he'll be a loser Pres.
Fair enough.
Not much worship here.
Oh, anybody who has something to say, maybe.
Here's how it shakes out when I see a rabid little bite like your's: Lots of people have their crutches, intellectually speaking. Comfort zones. Someone who just doesn't go along with it generates reflexive disconnects, hate maybe, ridicule, trite little insults for sure.
If you had some kind of information I haven't gone over, I'd think it useful to carry on the conversation.
"Yes, I'm stuck in the middle with you,
And I'm wondering what it is I should do
It's so hard to keep this smile from my face,
Losing control, and I'm all over the place
Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right,
Here I am, stuck in the middle with you"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DohRa9lsx0Q
So you dont worship much just anyone that has something to say?
Thanks, Ill stick to making jokes and laughing to myself on a sports message board discussion about politics in the off-season. Maybe i'm just like your buddy Trump, who prefers to make fun of people and doesn't have anything real to say or maybe Ill save the serious conversations for people with solid info and sources that speak in a non belittling fashion to others while claiming mental superiority but just regurgitating non substantiated info from shock jocks on Patriot Radio or the likes, sorry I mean free thinkers... I definitely don't have comfort zones. I change my mind constantly on issues. But i would rather stick to "real" conversations with the other people. There is plenty of information you havent gone over but your "opinions" are pretty set, so that seems like a fruitless endeavor. But that is almost always the case of internet discussions on anything remotely serious. Ill let you carry on with telling us how Clinton and Obama are communists because a couple policies overlap or the CIA was the bombers in the Boston Marathon. Sorry for the rapid bite, thought your skin was thick based on the drivel you have posted.
the word was "rabid", as in the product of fevered mind beyond the reach of good sense. You miss the sense of intelligence generally perhaps, but to say I worship people I listen to is a bit of a stretch, and to say I'm only listening to a neat little category of folks you can dismiss with a smear is pretty much rabid.
If I found someone, anyone, who could say something that really moved me to worship, it'd be kinda unusual, and maybe I would. But I don't think I've ever put up a quote from anyone with that kind of devotion, and you're way off from having a decent civil discussion here.
So, yes, maybe you have a fever. Who knows.
Communism doesn't have a real authoritative doctrinal source, and a lot of the ideas have come from other places in the first place, and today are found in a variety of political divisions. The things I mark as "communist" are the notion of a pre-determined dialectic moving human history toward a vision of a world characterized by equality among humans in social and economic parametrs. People who justify a graduated income tax, or taxation of business and tax relief for the low wage workers, minimum wage mandates, government provided health and education, and a lot of other things Marx talked about can fairly be called "communist". The word means a believer in a community in some respect. The first pilgrims to land in Massachussetts were communists, and so were early Mormons, and a number of other social experiments over 150 years ago.
today it might mean a supporter of another government like Cuba, Venezuela, or whatever. Technically speaking the Russians are no longer "communists' per se, neither are the Chinese. Fascist is a more accurate term for folks whose real aim is to build a statist system with elite rule.
While Obama and Hillary have professed a lot of communist ideological beliefs, the record proves they are fascists, really.
Thanks for providing a good example and proving my point.
I guess it is semantics of the word worship. I suppose that is too extreme of a description ill try adhere to, follow, believe, your main source... anything else. Yes, I guess you win, I am rapid and lacking intelligence, solid argument and way to prove your smarter because your a "free thinker." Name calling, trying to belittle people and claiming your own intelligence is always effective communication for changing minds, its working for Trump why not you. I wonder why people wouldn't want to have a real discussion with that and prefer to make jokes. Oh sorry for quoting you for calling Obama and Clinton (wonder why you use his last name and her first name...) communists and not what you meant to say, fascists. But I guess you got them and proved to the world they are secret fascists trying to corrupt and ruin this world for their own benefit! That is what we need more of in political conversations calling the other candidates evil, fascists, communists and other words to dehumanize them and make your side seem good and theirs seem bad. I think both candidates have their flaws (as does everyone) but both are out to try and make this country better in their own way. The differences in how they get there, why and trying to understand both sides of the argument is where the discussions should lie but some prefer to stick to the demonizing venomous politics. There is nothing to say to those people except make some jokes and have a laugh.
Well, Bronc, as long as you restate whatever I say into what you want it to be, you get to call all the shots and define it for your own satisfaction.
Not very many people really understand politics, even professorial types like Red have a deep sense of historical vindication for what they think, and gold ol boys like Game probably know all they want to know.
OK, in my my view, Marxism was a contrived ploy form the outset to serve as tool for manipulation on the world stage. Some people really believed it, others used them and it to evey advantage. In the long run, it continues to be a tool for manipulation.
Who has the power or influence to "manipulate" world politics? Well, nobody really, except when you have to invent a tool like that it proves you're worried about how to control large numbers of people.
In my opinion, the ideals of communism are pretty understandable at first. People want a community, fairness, equality, and economic justice, all that stuff. There's this horrible reality all around of the opoosities.
The real threat to elitism and top-down control has been the principles of the American founders who sought to lift up actual human rights and limit government.
All kinds of people want to exercise beneficial control for whatever reasons. today's UN brand of fascism has a lot of high ideals and some good manager types working the best they can to make things better.
The whole world does not revolve around academic definitions in politics.
Not very many people really understand politics, even professorial types like Red have a deep sense of historical vindication for what they think, and gold ol boys like Game probably know all they want to know.
OK, in my my view, Marxism was a contrived ploy form the outset to serve as tool for manipulation on the world stage. Some people really believed it, others used them and it to evey advantage. In the long run, it continues to be a tool for manipulation.
Who has the power or influence to "manipulate" world politics? Well, nobody really, except when you have to invent a tool like that it proves you're worried about how to control large numbers of people.
In my opinion, the ideals of communism are pretty understandable at first. People want a community, fairness, equality, and economic justice, all that stuff. There's this horrible reality all around of the opoosities.
The real threat to elitism and top-down control has been the principles of the American founders who sought to lift up actual human rights and limit government.
All kinds of people want to exercise beneficial control for whatever reasons. today's UN brand of fascism has a lot of high ideals and some good manager types working the best they can to make things better.
The whole world does not revolve around academic definitions in politics.
Yep, its down to you and your Patriot radio buddies as the last line of truth and knowledge of politics that the rest of us are missing. Preach on, we are all ears to your vast and overwhelming superior knowledge. None of us know what we are saying unless it agrees with you right?
Or do you have peers on here that disagree with you but are as smart or smarter than you, at least in politics?
Y'all can eat a dick. In fact, you'll need like a bushel of dicks for eating.
Both candidates are awful.
But this hyperbolic ******** that you're spewing... I wish your dads were alive or at least still able to smack you in the ****ing mouth.
Rise up as Americans and plop your mini-van driving, titleist wearing, dad bods over in the booth where you belong. Pull the lever for whomever you want but shut the **** up with the most asinine rhetoric ever muttered in the history of Joseph smith.
Both candidates are awful.
But this hyperbolic ******** that you're spewing... I wish your dads were alive or at least still able to smack you in the ****ing mouth.
Rise up as Americans and plop your mini-van driving, titleist wearing, dad bods over in the booth where you belong. Pull the lever for whomever you want but shut the **** up with the most asinine rhetoric ever muttered in the history of Joseph smith.
I've read plenty of you saying that and it's not persuaded me a bit. In fact, you are the single only human I know that thinks she's "fine."
Either this is an epic frank-like troll bit, or you're just REALLY determined to live out a schtik.