My dad voted for Trump

[str8line]

My dad was born and raised in Germany during WW2. He never knew his father because his dad was a casualty in the battle of Stalingrad. My dad and his family suffered through post-WW2 Germany with food shortages, etc., where the horrors of Hitler came into full focus.

I am so disgusted. Sucks to have almost no respect for your own father. I wish I could say that this was just a political difference.



EDIT: This is from JJAS on post 21 of this thread and he put it so much better than I could have. My feelings match his:

Thank you JJAS




I can relate with str8line on this. It's not just a difference of opinion in this election. It's a bit like a line in the sand. Many of you who hate both candidates and feel that there is no difference between them probably do have a hard time understanding his feelings. I personally know no rational person that is voting for Trump (I don't count people on Jazzfanz). My family has recognized Trump's despicable nature from the very beginning, thank God.

Justified or not, I feel a deep animus for people who are voting for Trump because everything about Trump is the exact opposite of who I am and what I have come to value in life. When people choose Trump, they choose nearly everything that I despise in this world. By association, they become a person that negates everything that I hold dear.

At the same time, I can see that they are good people, and that I can still enjoy their company. However, deep inside, I remember when the time came to choose, they chose this piece of trash and therefore potentially put my children and world in jeopardy, while embracing all of the evils Trump has openly espoused and propagated.

I've never ever felt anything even close to this. In years past, I haven't even cared who people have voted for. I've given it almost zero thought. Trump has been an absolute game-changer for me, and its affected me like very few things. I've been sick for a week. My feelings of this threat have been as visceral as anything I've ever experienced. In short, I can understand the betrayal and animus that Str8line is feeling, even with his own dad.

The degree to which a person normally cares about seemingly insignificant things is normally a direct correlation to how much they care about large things. Everything is compounded. If you're normally someone who let's everything slide, then it will be the same thing in this case.

 

[UGLI baby]

Wow bro.

 

[Stoked]

My dad was born and raised in Germany during WW2. He never knew his father because his dad was a casualty in the battle of Stalingrad. My dad and his family suffered through post-WW2 Germany with food shortages, etc., where the horrors of Hitler came into full focus.

I am so disgusted. Sucks to have almost no respect for your own father. I wish I could say that this was just a political difference.

Sorry man but I can't follow you there. All I know is the implication that as a result of this one action you now have "almost no respect for your own father". That sounds extremely shallow and intolerant of you. Especially if that ignores a couple decades of the reverse.

Now perhaps there is more to this but none of that is presented.

 

[Revolution 9]

Its an uneasy time before the election.

Too close for my comfort.

I get that many dont like Hillary, but shes not a killer. Vote her out in 4 years. Hell put up a strong sane CENTER candidate and I will vote for them.

 

[RandyForRubio]

Sucks to have almost no respect for your son too, I'm sure.

 

[fishonjazz]

Sorry man but I can't follow you there. All I know is the implication that as a result of this one action you now have "almost no respect for your own father". That sounds extremely shallow and intolerant of you. Especially if that ignores a couple decades of the reverse.

Now perhaps there is more to this but none of that is presented.

Good post

 

[str8line]

Sorry man but I can't follow you there. All I know is the implication that as a result of this one action you now have "almost no respect for your own father". That sounds extremely shallow and intolerant of you. Especially if that ignores a couple decades of the reverse.

Now perhaps there is more to this but none of that is presented.

Well, there is more to the story. But the bottom line is I can't reconcile support for someone as disgusting as Trump with anyone that I want anything to do with or have my family around. That might sound over-the-top to some, but especially considering my own dad's history that's the way I feel. I will not compromise my moral compass for anyone.

 

[♪alt13]

I don't want to throw my vote away. Since it looks like Trump will win Utah I'm going to vote for him so that my vote matters.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Well, there is more to the story. But the bottom line is I can't reconcile support for someone as disgusting as Trump with anyone that I want anything to do with or have my family around. That might sound over-the-top to some, but especially considering my own dad's history that's the way I feel. I will not compromise my moral compass for anyone.

I joke around a lot, but this doesn't resonate with me in any rational sense.
Moral compass is not compromised by loving and showing respect for others with different views.. even if you find those views deplorable. Seems unhealthy, tbh.

I have 6 kids and disagree with them a lot (and vehemently) and them me... (again, vehemently) but we love each other and show respect both ways. That fact carries no sway and us, as individuals, are firmly planted on our own foundation of ethics, morals, and ideals.

I recommend being true to you, but let others be them, as well.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I don't want to throw my vote away. Since it looks like Trump will win Utah I'm going to vote for him so that my vote matters.

LMAO.. best post.

 

[Stoked]

Well, there is more to the story. But the bottom line is I can't reconcile support for someone as disgusting as Trump with anyone that I want anything to do with or have my family around. That might sound over-the-top to some, but especially considering my own dad's history that's the way I feel. I will not compromise my moral compass for anyone.

I can respect standing by your morals even if I do not agree with the morals. It is your family, do what you feel is best.

You say there is more and ok, there is more. I have no reason to doubt you.

But if this is by itself it is over the top IMO.

Good luck with what you feel you have to do. Sorry

 

[JazzGal]

I'd have to disown my entire family as they are all voting for Trump. Republicans through and through. I'm the black sheep. I can't wrap my head around their justifications, but they can't understand mine for voting for Clinton (something I swore I would not do). However, we all decided that the candidates aren't great, but we still are voting for the political ideals which we hold. For them it boils down to Second Amendment, anti-abortion, anti-marriage equality, anti-civil rights, anti-minorities, anti-climate change, etc. (I'm projecting my own feelings here about the Republican Party only being AGAINST things, not FOR anything but guns).

And I still love them anyway.

I don't respect my father for many reasons, and his political opinions have nothing to do with it. But I could see where it might become a way to channel my feelings toward him. So I can see what you are saying.

 

[JazzGal]

I don't want to throw my vote away. Since it looks like Trump will win Utah I'm going to vote for him so that my vote matters.

If he's going to win anyway, your vote still doesn't matter. His margin of victory will have no impact on the Electoral College vote.

 

[str8line]

I joke around a lot, but this doesn't resonate with me in any rational sense.
Moral compass is not compromised by loving and showing respect for others with different views.. even if you find those views deplorable. Seems unhealthy, tbh.

I have 6 kids and disagree with them a lot (and vehemently) and them me... (again, vehemently) but we love each other and show respect both ways. That fact carries no sway and us, as individuals, are firmly planted on our own foundation of ethics, morals, and ideals.

I recommend being true to you, but let others be them, as well.

I like what you're saying, and it makes perfect sense. However, I have had other misgivings regarding my fathers actions towards my mother, his children and his extended family and friends in the past. This simple confirmation about who he is as a person coalesces my opinion of him and as I mentioned I can't reconcile that with who I want to be.

 

[Stoked]

I like what you're saying, and it makes perfect sense. However, I have had other misgivings regarding my fathers actions towards my mother, his children and his extended family and friends in the past. This simple confirmation about who he is as a person coalesces my opinion of him and as I mentioned I can't reconcile that with who I want to be.

Now this heads in a way I can understand and possibly even support depending on those 'misgivings".

Sucks man, sorry you have to deal with that.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I like what you're saying, and it makes perfect sense. However, I have had other misgivings regarding my fathers actions towards my mother, his children and his extended family and friends in the past. This simple confirmation about who he is as a person coalesces my opinion of him and as I mentioned I can't reconcile that with who I want to be.

Okay bro. I get it. All the best and go Jazz!

 

[♪alt13]

If he's going to win anyway, your vote still doesn't matter.

Oh No! whatever should I do?

 

[JazzGal]

Oh No! whatever should I do?

Pray for it all to be over.

IMO, vote however you want for whatever reason you want. There is no right or wrong way. (My way is more right, though - actually more left - I'm confused)

 

[str8line]

I'd have to disown my entire family as they are all voting for Trump. Republicans through and through. I'm the black sheep. I can't wrap my head around their justifications, but they can't understand mine for voting for Clinton (something I swore I would not do). However, we all decided that the candidates aren't great, but we still are voting for the political ideals which we hold. For them it boils down to Second Amendment, anti-abortion, anti-marriage equality, anti-civil rights, anti-minorities, anti-climate change, etc. (I'm projecting my own feelings here about the Republican Party only being AGAINST things, not FOR anything but guns).

And I still love them anyway.

I don't respect my father for many reasons, and his political opinions have nothing to do with it. But I could see where it might become a way to channel my feelings toward him. So I can see what you are saying.

As I mentioned, I wish this were about political opinions because I could accept that. I have no problem with Trumps stances on many issues. As a matter of fact, Trumps tax policies alone would save me a lot of money. I've said it before but I see Trump for who he is not for what he says he can do for our country. This election is not about our country, it's about who we are as individuals.

 

[Gameface]

As I mentioned, I wish this were about political opinions because I could accept that. I have no problem with Trumps stances on many issues. As a matter of fact, Trumps tax policies alone would save me tens of thousands of dollars/year. I've said it before but I see Trump for who he is not for what he says he can do for our country. This election is not about our country, it's about who we are as individuals.

It'stoobadPresidentsdon'tjustcomeinands<--- getting kind of old stating to reply and then realizing the space bar issue hasn't been fixed [MENTION=1]Jason[/MENTION]

It's too bad President's don't just come in and establish the tax policy for their term in office. I mean it's not too bad. What's too bad is that people partially pick a candidate based on what they say they stand for in regard to tax policy when the President is one of the least influential people when it comes to actually making tax policy.