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JazzGal said:
What in the 70 years of Trump's life leads you to believe that? There is no evidence that he has the ability to unify, to compromise, to treat people different than himself with respect. It's interesting that his fan base now expects him to be a different person than he is.

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Just a prediction, really.

Honestly I don't qualify as a "Trump fan".

Last night seeing so many people on my fb freak out, I just kind of thought, "huh, I bet everyone is going to be totally wrong about this and it goes way different than most think" and I wanted to make another bold prediction.
 
I known next to nothing about Reagan other than he has some badass quotes. Politics is not a big thing in my life.

All I simply meant was, I'm predicting that 30 years from now history will remember Trump for his presidency and it will generally be regarded as a great time for America, and all of the insanity of the election and all the doomsday stuff about him will be a total footnote. Our Grandchildren won't know of Trump as a reality TV dude or a racist maniac, they'll just know of him as a former president they learned about in school and one that a lot of people said was a good president.

Everyone else has their own predictions, this is mine so I put it in the prediction thread I created.
 
dalamon said:
Do some academic research on the matter
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His approval ratings by American people were highest in 40 years. Way higher than Clinton, Obama or Bush. He is mostly credited by ending cold war with USSR. That alone is huge achievement to call it a success. But if you have any data showing that somebody did better than him in last 40 years I would love to read through it.
 
I think I may have figured out what the stars and stripes has come to represent: apparently it's an image that inspires us, individually, pull the ladder up after ourselves as we reach for the sky.
 
MVP said:
His approval ratings by American people were highest in 40 years. Way higher than Clinton, Obama or Bush. He is mostly credited by ending cold war with USSR. That alone is huge achievement to call it a success. But if you have any data showing that somebody did better than him in last 40 years I would love to read through it.
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Surely you don't think the case is closed just by reading these kinds of approval ratings. Dalamon is probably pointing to the effects/affects of Reagan's economic policies. I happen to be a member of the crowd of people who think Reagan's presidency was a disaster on these terms (and others). Clinton's presidency, too.

You don't need to do very much research to find these arguments. I trust you can find them if you actually care to.
 
UGLI baby said:
I known next to nothing about Reagan other than he has some badass quotes. Politics is not a big thing in my life.

All I simply meant was, I'm predicting that 30 years from now history will remember Trump for his presidency and it will generally be regarded as a great time for America, and all of the insanity of the election and all the doomsday stuff about him will be a total footnote. Our Grandchildren won't know of Trump as a reality TV dude or a racist maniac, they'll just know of him as a former president they learned about in school and one that a lot of people said was a good president.

Everyone else has their own predictions, this is mine so I put it in the prediction thread I created.
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how wistful.

ok. now, back to the seminary.
 
dalamon said:
History doesnt regard Reagan's presidency as a great one.
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You didn't live though it and are getting your info from bitter partisan sources. The Reagan presidency was a wonderful time in America. It is hard to imagine the Trump era coming close. If it does he will definitely be regarded as one of the greatest ever. That would be a stunner, but as we've seen, stunning things are possible. And even though there is a lot I don't like about Trump, I can see what UGLI is saying. I hope he's right.
 
NAOS said:
how wistful.

ok. now, back to the seminary.
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I'm a dreamer bro.

For the record, I'd be trying to find the positive if Hillary had won and everyone was up in arms too. Wouldn't have been on here, but with some people I know that hate Hillary.
 
NAOS said:
Dalamon is probably pointing to the effects/affects of Reagan's economic policies.
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When Reagan took office the economy was one of the double-digit inflation and high interest rates. During his first year in office, Reagan engineered the passage of $39 billion in budget cuts into law, as well as a massive 25 percent tax cut spread over three years for individual, and faster write-offs for capital investment for business.
Although inflation dropped from 13.5% in 1980 to 5.1% in 1982, a severe recession set in, with unemployment exceeding 10% in October, 1982 for the first time in forty years. The administration modified its economic policy after two years by proposing selected tax increases and budget cuts to control rising deficits and higher interest rates. After the 1982 downturn, the reduced inflation rate (under 5% for the remainder of the administration) sparked record economic growth, and produced one of the lowest unemployment rates in modern U.S. history (unemployment hit a 14 year low in June of 1988). As Reagan left office, the nation was experiencing its sixth consecutive year of economic prosperity.
 
MVP said:
Correct me if I am wrong but didn't he reduced taxes and helped to created more small business and jobs and generally pulled American economy out of recession?
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I'm bowing out of any conversation that seeks to reduce Reagan to these kinds of bullet points. His presidency marked the official rise of a neoconservative movement which (a) deregulated Wall Street (a task that Clinton finished for him), (b) spent our way out of the Cold War (i.e. indebted millions of future Americans) with ridiculous military programs and engagements, and (c) led us to the incredible levels income disparity that we see today. Reagan was a seachange. Not a good one.
 
NAOS said:
I'm bowing out of any conversation that seeks to reduce Reagan to these kinds of bullet points. His presidency marked the official rise of a neoconservative movement which (a) deregulated Wall Street (a task that Clinton finished for him), (b) spent our way out of the Cold War (i.e. indebted millions of future Americans) with ridiculous military programs and engagements, and (c) led us to the incredible levels income disparity that we see today. Reagan was a seachange. Not a good one.
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So you think USSR and Berlin wall should still exist? You sound a lot like a communist taking about income disparity - Lenins and Marks wanted equal income to all people, we all know how it ended. And sorry but I think Reagan spending USA money to end Cold War was thousand times better then whatever money Obama was spending last 8 years in Middle East.
 
MVP said:
So you think USSR and Berlin wall should still exist? You sound a lot like a communist taking about income disparity - Lenins and Marks wanted equal income to all people, we all know how it ended. And sorry but I think Reagan spending USA money to end Cold War was thousand times better then whatever money Obama was spending last 8 years in Middle East.
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with all due respect, what the ****?
 
NAOS said:
with all due respect, what the ****?
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With all due respect you just said Reagan spending USA money to end Cold war and creating income disparity was not a good political move. So you sound like old Russian communist who still misses USSR and communism utopia.
 
I guess for some of you it is hard to understand what it was living under USSR occupation and communism propaganda. Millions of people in former Soviet block countries will forever regard Reagan as the greatest USA president ever for his role in ending Cold war and making Soviet Union collapse.
 
MVP said:
With all due respect you just said Reagan spending USA money to end Cold war and creating income disparity was not a good political move. So you sound like old Russian communist who still misses USSR and communism utopia.
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you sound like a mental midget if those are the conclusions you are drawing on so little information. If you want to open your mind and resume the conversation with a decent question, then let me know.
 
MVP said:
I guess for some of you it is hard to understand what it was living under USSR occupation and communism propaganda. Millions of people in former Soviet block countries will forever regard Reagan as the greatest USA president ever for his role in ending Cold war and making Soviet Union collapse.
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lmao. MVP knows, doe.
 
NAOS said:
you sound like a mental midget if those are the conclusions you are drawing on so little information. If you want to open your mind and resume the conversation with a decent question, then let me know.
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I'd rather be mental midget then support communism.
 
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