So your saying your argument sucks?
Calling D-Will above average is laughable too (same with Boozer but to a lesser degree). D-Will was elite.
remember when our offense looked like this?
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So your saying your argument sucks?
Calling D-Will above average is laughable too (same with Boozer but to a lesser degree). D-Will was elite.
And we now live in a world where Okur was low efficiency? What? Okur's best season with the Jazz he averaged 17 points on 12 shots a game. Dude got to the FT line and the dude nailed his 3's at a high percentage with volume.
Okur's best full season with the Jazz he had a 60% true shooting percentage, which is insanely high.
jope
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what do you mean "elite"? that season, PER ranked him at #27, VORP puts him at #31, TS% puts him at #40, he didnt make the all-star team. yes he was a great, great player, but he was never elite.
and you are proving my point, sloan's system maximized talent. we had the best offense in the NBA with AK47, brewer, baby millsap, and matt harpring's corpse all getting major minutes. The top end was a little higher than our talent level on this team, but this team is much more rounded out with scoring talent, yet performs with inferiority offensively.
jope
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Okur was #120 in the league in TS%. maybe low efficiency was harsh, "average" is more appropriate.
You put Quin Snyder in Sloan's shoes with Dwill/Okur/Boozer you can create a team that gets buckets with any offensive system because of how talented those 3 are at scoring, spacing, and playmaking.
I'd argue Quin would do better because he wouldnt waste AK's talents away.
I'd argue Quin would do better because he wouldnt waste AK's talents away.
He is 120th all time in the NBA. That is above average.
jope
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offensively...
DW, Boozer > Hayward, Hill, Hood > Korver > Favors (healthy), JJ > baby millsap, AK47, brewer > gobert
pretty even honestly, and more rounded out for this years team. you just cant see it because quin cant get anything out his talent.
jope
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he was 120th that season in TS%.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/ts_pct_career.html
126th all time. You probably didnt bother to even make sure to see if players qualified, probably dude playing 5 games.
That season he was 51st (though it really higher if you take out all the player who barely even played who are ahead of him). 36th if you adjust to make sure players played at least 40 games.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2009_advanced.html
You could even go further and take out non-shooters, dudes like Joel Prysbillia and Erik Dampier, who never did anything but shots around the basket, if you wanted to see how great Okur was a player who took jumpshots and scored efficiently as ****.
jope
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Because quin has produced such offensive powerhouses so far
Your argument has no crux when his system was established on 3 high profile offensive talents which allowed other players to score efficiently. I completely dismantled it when you tried to act like Okur was just some average rotation shooter.
There is a better argument that Sloan's system held the team back more than it helped them.
jope
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Bro, besides what dw and boozer became because of sloans system, none of those players were high profile.that's why they ended up in Utah. And to argue that sloan held then back while producing the best offense in the league is laughable
I'm not a huge fan of what Quin has been running but we cant ignore the fact that he has only had a starting caliber PG for 7 games while he has been here.
Jerry Sloan had a HOF one then followed it up by getting an All-Star/2nd team All NBA PG.
We are just waiting for Quin to get someone who is top 30 at his position lmao.
Jerry Sloan had a HOF one then followed it up by getting an All-Star/2nd team All NBA PG.
We are just waiting for Quin to get someone who is top 30 at his position lmao.
jope
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It's a fair point. But snyders system isnt pg heavy anyway. He initiates from the 2 and3 a lot. And maybe that's because our pg sucks *** most nights.
You answered your own ludicrous statement.