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Can the Dante Exum Experiment Please End

franklin said:
They (you?) said the same about Enes Kanter.
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franklin said:
They said the same about CJ Miles.

Jazz fans love that "potential" even if there never was any there.
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Trey Burke will thrive once he gets out from under Quin Snyder's system. - franklin


Also, frank has wanted to trade Exum for a while now, so at least this isn't a knee jerk thread. However, when you want to trade Exum and keep Trey Burke, perhaps some salt is needed.


Ok, so for those of you who are unfamiliar with the one and done rule, back in 2005 the NBA added the rule to protect owners from themselves in drafting players right out of high school. The rule mandates that players play at least 1 year in college. For whatever reason, and maybe someone can help me out here(stitches?), the rule doesn't apply to international players.

Now, before the rule, teams used to draft project players that they knew weren't ready to play in the league, but looked to have great potential. Some of these players didn't really even see the floor for 2 or 3 years. Jermaine O'Neal is a player who didn't play a whole lot in his first 3 years, and then blew up after he was traded.

Utah drafted Deshawn Stevenson right out of High School with high hopes he'd become the next Kobe. This never worked out, and it was because of this that Utah became gun shy of drafting kids right out of high school. In 2004 Utah drafted Kris Humphries one spot ahead of Al Jefferson, and Kirk Snyder one spot ahead of Josh Smith. In other words, they just missed on 2 much better players because of their fear of drafting kids out of high school.

The point I'm trying to make with all this, is that people seem to have forgotten what it means to draft a project player. Exum basically came from high school to the NBA, without ever playing college ball, so there's really no point in drafting a player like that if you're not willing to give them time to develop. You most certainly don't give up on them after a year and a month.

I wouldn't be surprised if Utah limits his minutes for the next year and a half, hoping to avoid someone trying to steal him in FA. As it is, if Exum were to blow up before that, we would have to get rid of another core piece to be able to afford him.

The only way he gets traded right now, is if he's a throw in (in a bigger deal). His trade value isn't high enough to trade him alone right now.
 
If only we had Corbin and Burke we would be great right? Trade Exum and Snyder for those 2 and we win chips for years.
 
MT Steve said:
How many games do you think the Jazz should toss this year for the sake of developing Exum? Because right now whenever he's in the game the Jazz consistently get slaughtered.
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Exum has been pretty bad at times, but it's gotten to the point that he's becoming the scapegoat for our losses, which is unfair IMO. Most of our losses have come when nobody on the team can hit the broadside of a barn.

Also, for those who have been trashing him and calling him a bust(not you), Exum started for Utah for half the season in his rookie year, in which Utah had one of the best records in the league for that stretch. The kid has already been a contributor to a winning team.

I think playing Mack over Exum makes sense right now, but Quin should be able to find minutes for Dante as well, without giving away the whole game.
 
franklin said:
So does Neto. Both are straight trash. We need to clear a roster spot for someone as good as or better than Mack.
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They said the same about Kobe in LA after his first year. Toronto though T-Mac was a bust after 2 years. John Stockton should have been traded since we had better players at his position and he started slow. Nash was Trash right?

Why not just keep Mack at the back up spot if we are trading for someone as good as him? Do you not think Hill will play much? Or we need to pay more for a 3rd/4th PG?
 
Ron Mexico said:
They said the same about Kobe in LA after his first year. Toronto though T-Mac was a bust after 2 years. John Stockton should have been traded since we had better players at his position and he started slow. Nash was Trash right?
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They also said that about a thousand other players who actually turned out to be busts. :)
 
The thing that bugs me the most about exum is how flat his shot still is. I understand that he hasn't been able to really work on it much but it has got to get better. I'm pretty confident that he will improve in other areas but his jump shot is so ****in ugly.
 
♪alt13 said:
The thing that bugs me the most about exum is how flat his shot still is. I understand that he hasn't been able to really work on it much but it has got to get better. I'm pretty confident that he will improve in other areas but his jump shot is so ****in ugly.
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I think his shot and his handle should be better than they are right now. He's behind. You can do a lot to work on both of those things while you're rehabbing a knee. Not everything; but a lot.

I've broadcast how I'm not going to allow myself to firmly judge Exum's potential until the end of this year or the middle of next. He's just so raw. But I'd be lying if I didn't admit that his backslide on defense, and his lagging handle + shot didn't have me pretty worried. He's showed some nice flashes on offense this year. My inner optimist is hanging onto those things.
 
Lol. Bunch of damn complainers. Beginning of the year everyone was excited about the way Exum was playing. Now he had a few bad games it's get rid of him. I find it hilarious too that you all forget we said the same about Hayward, Favors, and Gobert their rookie years. Never change kiddos.


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themanknownassting said:
Lol. Bunch of damn complainers. Beginning of the year everyone was excited about the way Exum was playing.
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At the beginning of the year a lot of people, point blank, put unfair expectations on him. The dude might end up developing into a fine player, but it was never going to happen in November.
 
Qman said:
He looks like a talented player who terribly inexperienced. He can consistently get into the paint and his jumper looks better to me. Now his jumper doesn't go in enough and he makes tons of mistakes once he gets into the paint. Defensively he reacting too quickly to screens and moves out of position. Seriously the guy just needs to play and learn from his mistakes. Now that doesn't matchup with our win-now push.

I am moving towards he just needs to play for the SLC Stars for a while to get used to what he can do.
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Thank you for responding, wish I knew how to rep if that's still a thing. This basically validates my feelings. Due to the fact that he not only made a huge jump in competition, is still young/inexperienced, & is coming off of a serious injury, common sense would suggest that he needs more time than the average prospect.

From what I've seen he looks like he def has the physical tools to be a top 5/10 PG. Not sure how I'd feel about him playing in the D-League but understand & agree with the sentiment. Also agree that he doesn't fit our win-now philosophy at all. Just don't see how we get equal value in return at this point. Hope QS is able to balance getting him enough playing time while focusing on winning as I still see tremendous potential- in not just Exum but this year's roster (when healthy)
 
Carbon13 said:
Andy Larsen did a great job explaining it here

tl;dr: Defenses completely sag off of Exum and basically makes our offense a 4 on 5. Jazz are concerned about retaining Gordon and are in win now mode. Decision made to bench Exum.
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Thank you for posting, wish I could rep. Haven't read yet but will. Makes complete sense (from your tldr). Still seems like a short-sighted move to trade him now due to current value vs potential unless Hayward is really on the fence about re-signing as we are pretty much in a position where we have to do whatever possible (within reason) to retain him. Seems like the best move may be to get him as much playing time as possible without costing the team wins until we Hayward makes a decision.
 
simple.

exum doesn't help spread the floor.

he barely attacks inside.
he cant hit any shots.

so the other teams defense doesn't have to do **** but clutter the paint.
 
I'd like to see Exum drive the ball when he gets it kicked to him and he is wide open for a 3. It might create something, I just have no faith in his open 3's right now. Needs to watch some Rondo film on how to be useful on offense who you have 0 shooting ability.
 
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