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BTP said:
So what exactly is Giles injury history at this point?
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It's been overstated, people seem to identify him as being injury prone more so than a great basketball player. I was watching a Duke broadcast a week or 2 ago and their announcer Mike Giminski was even commenting on how back in his day guys didn't recover from those injuries and to have aplayer projected like that so high would've been unheard of.

Giles has been a well-known commodity(top-ranked) throughout his entire Hs career, he was like 6'9" 5 years ago. As a freshman (2013) he and Theo Pinson who gets injured every year like clockwork for UNC won a State championship for Wesleyan.

Right before his Sophomore year is where the trouble begins;

-June 13th 2013, Playing for the never been beaten U16 Team USA squad vs Uruguay he landed akwardly and tore his MCL and ACL in his left knee. This caused him to miss his entire Sophomore season, and I'm pretty sure this is still the injury thats caused most of the concern.

-The 2nd knee injury certainly wasn't as severe; A few minutes into his season opener as a Sr. he partially tore his ACL in his right knee about 13 months ago.

-The 3rd surgery a knee arthroscopy almost 3 months ago was to clean up his left knee from the initial injury years back.


Some talk about his injury history like it's 3 devastating injuries, which it really wasn't. This is not a Ray Smith situation. Another injury especially to his knees would be devastating to his stock though, so I can see why Nike would want him to sit the year.
 
PG_AB said:
It's been overstated, people seem to identify him as being injury prone more so than a great basketball player. I was watching a Duke broadcast a week or 2 ago and their announcer Mike Giminski was even commenting on how back in his day guys didn't recover from those injuries and to have aplayer projected like that so high would've been unheard of.

Giles has been a well-known commodity(top-ranked) throughout his entire Hs career, he was like 6'9" 5 years ago. As a freshman (2013) he and Theo Pinson who gets injured every year like clockwork for UNC won a State championship for Wesleyan.

Right before his Sophomore year is where the trouble begins;

-June 13th 2013, Playing for the never been beaten U16 Team USA squad vs Uruguay he landed akwardly and tore his MCL and ACL in his left knee. This caused him to miss his entire Sophomore season, and I'm pretty sure this is still the injury thats caused most of the concern.

-The 2nd knee injury certainly wasn't as severe; A few minutes into his season opener as a Sr. he partially tore his ACL in his right knee about 13 months ago.

-The 3rd surgery a knee arthroscopy almost 3 months ago was to clean up his left knee from the initial injury years back.


Some talk about his injury history like it's 3 devastating injuries, which it really wasn't. This is not a Ray Smith situation. Another injury especially to his knees would be devastating to his stock though, so I can see why Nike would want him to sit the year.
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1 thing is certain: His annual limit for radiation and MRT contrast liquid will be exhausted very fast during the draft process.
Another one: GMs will sleep very uncomfortable while having to decide to take a flyer on him if he performs well over other very talented top10 guys that also met expectations on the court, but are still virgins when it comes to the surgeon's knife.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
Excellent demeanor on the court. Solid FT shooter. Appears to be a solid guy.
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Aside from his obvious physical gifts what impressed me most is his passing. He's probably not a Gasol level passer, but he certainly is a good passer. I have no idea why DX dropped him in their latest mock. I wouldn't mind us snatching him by using both picks on him(trade up if necessary).
 
stitches said:
Aside from his obvious physical gifts what impressed me most is his passing. He's probably not a Gasol level passer, but he certainly is a good passer. I have no idea why DX dropped him in their latest mock. I wouldn't mind us snatching him by using both picks on him(trade up if necessary).
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Guys with that kind of size, strength and athleticism don't come around everyday. You add legit basketball skills like passing, a shot that isn't broken and intangibles like a good head and a good motor, he has a chance to be special. Maybe Andre Drummond with the ability to hit a jumper and shoot 75% FTs.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
Guys with that kind of size, strength and athleticism don't come around everyday. You add legit basketball skills like passing, a shot that isn't broken and intangibles like a good head and a good motor, he has a chance to be special. Maybe Andre Drummond with the ability to hit a jumper and shoot 75% FTs.
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he just seems like he has better basketball fundamentals than most huge stiffs who either can't catch a ball or shoot a ball or pass a ball... I really like all Kentucky freshmen. The bad thing is... most of them are jumping up the boards. My early season favourite in Malik Monk is currently top 10 in both DX and nbadraft. Seems like we won't be able to get him.

BTW, do you guys think I'm totally off here in thinking Lauri Markkanen has better and more refined offensive skillset than Porzingis coming into the draft?
 
stitches said:
Aside from his obvious physical gifts what impressed me most is his passing. He's probably not a Gasol level passer, but he certainly is a good passer. I have no idea why DX dropped him in their latest mock. I wouldn't mind us snatching him by using both picks on him(trade up if necessary).
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Two picks are too much for him in this draft.
 
stitches said:
he just seems like he has better basketball fundamentals than most huge stiffs who either can't catch a ball or shoot a ball or pass a ball... I really like all Kentucky freshmen. The bad thing is... most of them are jumping up the boards. My early season favourite in Malik Monk is currently top 10 in both DX and nbadraft. Seems like we won't be able to get him.

BTW, do you guys think I'm totally off here in thinking Lauri Markkanen has better and more refined offensive skillset than Porzingis coming into the draft?
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I need to watch Markkanen more, but I would say Porzingis was the better prospect. KP is really athletic, runs the floor very well, moves laterally pretty well and is a defensive presence. I'd put Markkanen ahead of Dragan Bender and Henry Ellinson from last year though. Makkanen looks like a prototypical stretch big.
 
Catchall said:
I need to watch Markkanen more, but I would say Porzingis was the better prospect. KP is really athletic, runs the floor very well, moves laterally pretty well and is a defensive presence. I'd put Markkanen ahead of Dragan Bender and Henry Ellinson from last year though. Makkanen looks like a prototypical stretch big.
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Yeah, I don't think defensively it's really a contest. Markkanen has really slow feet on D from what I've seen. My question was specifically offensively.
 
Both KP and Markannen have SF like qualities. Markannen's ability to attack with the dribble is more advanced at this point. Their shooting is pretty close to a draw.

Lauri's feet aren't bad defensively either, he has lapses though.
 
Catchall said:
I need to watch Markkanen more, but I would say Porzingis was the better prospect. KP is really athletic, runs the floor very well, moves laterally pretty well and is a defensive presence. I'd put Markkanen ahead of Dragan Bender and Henry Ellinson from last year though. Makkanen looks like a prototypical stretch big.
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I agree with this. KP moves better, longer, more athletic. But yeah, LM looks like a rich man's Ellenson and better than Bender too.
 
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Pretty sure he's gonna get dismissed for this... they recruited over him next season with Billy Preston too..
 
For the fans of ORtg/DRtg in this thread. Wake Forest's So. 6'10" PF John Collins has an Ortg of 130.8 and DRtg of 91.6, a tremendous margin.

HE's playing on ESPN3 right now. I've been hyping Collins since last year, DX moved him up to a projected 1st rd pick in 2018 in their latest mock.


Lauri Markannen has an ORtg of 145.4 thus far...


Tacko Fall has the only DRtg under 70 in college at 67.4
 
Justin Patton on Creighton might have what it takes to land in the teens. He easily looks like a 1st rd talent, like a better version of Damian Jones from last years draft.

Would love to see the Jazz take him to be groomed as Rudy's backup

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PG_AB said:
Justin Patton on Creighton might have what it takes to land in the teens. He easily looks like a 1st rd talent, like a better version of Damian Jones from last years draft.

Would love to see the Jazz take him to be groomed as Rudy's backup

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he would be one hell of a back up
 
The ramifications of this draft will truly be awesome. It'll produce seismic shifts in power eventually - there's some future HOF's to be had..

This is the draft scouting depts should go to their bosses and ask for increased budgets on the basis that 'this is THE year'..


There's such an abundance of talent the depth is such that a $100,000,000 player is sure to fall far... Hopefully the Jazz have positioned themselves to try and draft that player a few times over

Obviously the pool will weaken after declarations/the pull-out deadline; the strength of this draft could intimidate many into trying to get/play better next year and go for higher position. It'll still end up loaded into the 40's any way ya slice it though.

Everyone knows about the PG's, and they will remain the strongest position in this class. Early in the season im seeing the PF, PF/C and PF/SF(to a lesser extent) positions have really strengthened well beyond what was anticipated.

There's still late-bloomers sure to pop up.. (I actually think the frequency of late-bloomers would increase under conditions like what were seeing this season).




I just caught a game of Elie Okobo, French PG prospect born in 97. I really like his chances at being a damn good pro somewhere. His build is like Gilbert Arenas. I'd consider taking a flier in the 50's.

There's another interesting 98-born 6'3" French guard prospect, more of a SG but has combo skills. Possibly 6'4". d'Adam Mokoka, he projects as a strong/athletic/long defensive minded guard who can get out in transition and hit the occasional open J and open teammate..

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I read earlier that Mokoka played well vs Mushidi and Ntilikina earlier this year. Still trying to find boxscores or an article on it. I know Mokoka played well vs the US team at the Albert Schweitzer tournament dropping 14 in a W.

Miami's Fr. Bruce Brown is probably superior to these French players if you're looking for 6'3" guard. Different skillsets tho.
 
The PF's tier out sorta like this so far in my book.

Giles (top-5) PF

Markannen (top-10) PF/SF

Adebayo (lottery) PF/C
Rabb PF

Zach Collins (fringe lottery) C (Possible PF/C)
Hartenstein PF/C
Jarrett Allen PF/C
Robert Williams PF/C (I'd put him higher but don't want to overreact to something I've suspected all along - In Rivals final rankings he was #67 LOL)

MArques Bolden (top-25) PF/C
Jonathan Jeanne PF
Omer Yertsuven PF/C
Justin Patton C/PF (possibly PF/C)
Tony Bradley PF/C

Thomas Bryant (fringe 1st rd) PF/C
Ray Spaulding PF
Borisa Simanic PF
John Collins PF
Wenyen Gabriel F (Possible SF/PF or PF/SF

Jonathan Motley (top-45)PF
Donta Hall PF/C
Cameron Oliver PF
Sacha Killeya-Jones PF
Drew Euwbanks PF/C
Alec Peters PF
Alpha Kaba PF/C
Kyle Kuzma PF
Chimezie Metu PF/C
Ethan Happ PF
Dewan Huell PF

Luke Kornet(46-60ish) PF/C
Caleb Swanigan PF
Jo Lual-Acuil C (possible PF/C)
Chris Boucher PF
Isaiah Hicks PF
JAvin DeLaurier PF/SF
Jock Landale PF/C
D.J. Wilson PF/SF
Tyler Roberson PF
Jordan Bell PF
Mathias Lessort PF/C
Justin Tuoyo PF/C
Egemen Guven PF
Vasilis Charalampopoulos SF/PF (possible PF/SF)
Carlton Bragg PF (might be off the board after getting dismissed)
Moses Kingsley PF/C
Luke Fischer PF/C
Tariq Owens PF/C
Reid Travis PF
Angel Delgado PF
Nigel Hayes PF

Sure I'm missing a few but thats basically it.

If you're jonesing for a PF with Trevor Booker typa qualities, pretty sure Nevada's Cam Oliver is a PF you'll like.
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Temple might have 2 prospects.. Obi Enechionyia 6'10 F shoots 3's at a 47% clip on massive volume 6.3 attempts per. Also blocks 3.2 shots per game.

Add him to the above list (46-60) :P

and
Chance Commanche So. on Arizona
Killian Tillie Fr. on Gonzaga
Mamadi Diakite RS Fr. PF on Virginia
Jonathan Williams Jr. on Gonzaga
Konstantinos Mitoglou Jr. on Wake Forest
Isaac Copeland Jr. on Georgetown
 
Josh Hart's trying to keep Nova in this game single-handedly 19pts in the 1st half on 6/9 FG's, 4rebs 3 ast 1stl.

If he continues this and they comeback and win I'll probably bump him up to the mid 30's in the next mock.


Quiet 1st half for V.J. Beachem
 
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