George Hill Update

[Getting Traded]

Starting to think Igor would be better coaching than Snyder ,I think Jazz are elite but big matchups they play tight ,still trying to pass when it's obvious the other team knows what you're doing .Best teams play loose ,Jazz don't play loose .

This is an understatement about playing tight. They were passing up open looks, forcing passes into spaces where there wasn't room, just making bad decisions all around. Their defense was good in the early going but their woeful offense just killed everything. Rudy was the only one who showed up to play. I think Hill will make a big difference in this. Hayward was truly disappointing. This is also where Alec can make a difference. When neither Hood or Hayward can get it going, we can go to Alec who we know can get to the rim and draw fouls and slow down things when teams like the Dubs start to get into a flow. Also, when we have both Rudy and a healthy Derrick playing we can punish them inside.

 

[fishonjazz]

junior son,at some point you'll realize Gobert's rise is jazz rise,not Snyder's coaching.I worry Dante will reject Snyder and won't want to sign with Utah

Maybe Dante isn't good?

Gobert is good and Snyder gets no credit.
Dante sucks? It's all quin snyders fault.

 

[RJF]

Hill a no go tonight.

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Maybe Dante isn't good?

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[Handlogten's Heros]

Maybe Dante isn't good?

Gobert is good and Snyder gets no credit.
Dante sucks? It's all quin snyders fault.

I'm losing confidence in Dantes all star potential. I think he will be a good player but I'm not seeing the amazing talent and upside.

Last game he was so uncomfortable and his turnovers always seem to lead to baskets the other way... I don't think I believe he's a good enough floor leader to be a great pg. I'm torn on whether we should move him and place our confidence in another prospect this offseason.

 

[fishonjazz]

I'm losing confidence in Dantes all star potential. I think he will be a good player but I'm not seeing the amazing talent and upside.

Last game he was so uncomfortable and his turnovers always seem to lead to baskets the other way... I don't think I believe he's a good enough floor leader to be a great pg. I'm torn on whether we should move him and place our confidence in another prospect this offseason.

I was never high on him coming into the draft and then seeing him in summer league and scrimmages I already started to worry.
Then his rookie year he played good D but was so scared of the paint and of contact..... my worries remained.
Then he had The Game in summer league and my hopes went up, though not as much as many around here. Then the injury.
This year I liked seeing more aggression and a few glimpses of pretty good play. Problem is that for every glimpse of good play there are 10 bad plays.
For every good attribute he has (speed, length, etc) he has an even worse bad attribute (broken shot, poor handle, soft as a kitten, bad body language, general awkwardness, lack of confidence, etc).

My ceiling for him is the same now as it was after his rookie year. Decent starter. I have hope for anything more than that.

A poster recently compared him to some dudes who I thought were pretty good comps (thabo, Tony Allen and a few others) but it's just sad that might be his ceiling after hearing so much hope around here from guys saying they thought he would be a superstar type player.

 

[Crawlnstall]

I was never high on him coming into the draft and then seeing him in summer league and scrimmages I already started to worry.
Then his rookie year he played good D but was so scared of the paint and of contact..... my worries remained.
Then he had The Game in summer league and my hopes went up, though not as much as many around here. Then the injury.
This year I liked seeing more aggression and a few glimpses of pretty good play. Problem is that for every glimpse of good play there are 10 bad plays.
For every good attribute he has (speed, length, etc) he has an even worse bad attribute (broken shot, poor handle, soft as a kitten, bad body language, general awkwardness, lack of confidence, etc).

My ceiling for him is the same now as it was after his rookie year. Decent starter. I have hope for anything more than that.

A poster recently compared him to some dudes who I thought were pretty good comps (thabo, Tony Allen and a few others) but it's just sad that might be his ceiling after hearing so much hope around here from guys saying they thought he would be a superstar type player.

I agree 100%
From the 2014 draft Exum was the last 'Top Prospect' I wanted the team to draft, in fact I was more happy about Hood than Exum. I didn't like the idea of making the tank season draft pick a young kid from Australia that had basically no film/scouting.
BUT I have to hope he is going to be an all star or near all star, but I really have a hard time seeing it. He is a great defender, but his offense just doesn't seem to be there....Hoping against hope that this is still 'rust' from missing last year. But his lack of confidence, turnovers and poor shooting is making it hard for me truly believe Exum will turn into what the Jazz need him to be for us to contend for a title.

 

[addictionary]

Maybe Dante isn't good?

Gobert is good and Snyder gets no credit.
Dante sucks? It's all quin snyders fault.

Did you know that Gobert was coached by Turkish basketball legend Erman Kunter at the French club Cholete Basket? I was always high on him and told everyone in here after his first SL game that he will cut Kanter but Ty sent him to DL. That pumped him tho. That is why I think Dante would benefit from DL.


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[Handlogten's Heros]

Did you know that Gobert was coached by Turkish basketball legend Erman Kunter at the French club Cholete Basket? I was always high on him and told everyone in here after his first SL game that he will cut Kanter but Ty sent him to DL. That pumped him tho. That is why I think Dante would benefit from DL.


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Mentally I feel Gobert is far superior to any of our players. He works and believes in himself almost to an unhealthy level. He also has the right amount of fire and it manifests itself in the best ways (unlike Cousins and sometimes Draymond). He's as unique mentally as he is physically.

Exum... IDK... that sums up everything about him IDK... no one knows. I'd rather cash out to someone that thinks they can mold him. Would be curious to know what Philly or Milwaukee would offer. If it was a good first rounder I'd think long and hard... if it was a good first rounder and a decent rotation player.. I'd be in.

 

[Siro]

I posted this in the wrong thread, but like fish, I've never bought into the Exum hype. He will never be a star. He doesn't have the mentality, and the skill gap he needs to cover is huge.

At the moment, I'd be ecstatic if he ever became a solid, reliable starter.

 

[Jazz4ever]

I posted this in the wrong thread, but like fish, I've never bought into the Exum hype. He will never be a star. He doesn't have the mentality, and the skill gap he needs to cover is huge.

At the moment, I'd be ecstatic if he ever became a solid, reliable starter.

Yep, but what's interesting is he aced all the psyche tests he was given pre draft. Where did it all go wrong....

"The teams that got to interview him and do the (psychological) testing on them said that he tested off the charts," Ford said. "When you add that to an NBA style frame, those guys tend to not fail in the NBA."

https://www.nj.com/sixers/index.ssf/2014/06/2014_nba_draft_is_dante_exum_the_next_kobe_bryant.html

 

[Siro]

Yep, but what's interesting is he aced all the psyche tests he was given pre draft. Where did it all go wrong....

"The teams that got to interview him and do the (psychological) testing on them said that he tested off the charts," Ford said. "When you add that to an NBA style frame, those guys tend to not fail in the NBA."

https://www.nj.com/sixers/index.ssf/2014/06/2014_nba_draft_is_dante_exum_the_next_kobe_bryant.html

What do they screen for? I think they probably look for good character traits, like getting along with others and working hard. It ain't easy screening for killer instinct.

 

[Ron Mexico]

According to Coaches that have worked with Exum his BB IQ is very high.
I still firmly believe Exums floor is a solid starter in this league. It is suprising how many Jazz fans dont see his potential.
He consistently gets into the paint. He makes good passes and gets teams into plays well. He plays good defense, especially for his age. He just needs to finish better at the rim and shoot better. Finishing will happen more and more. He going to physically develop a lot more over the next 5+ years. He will learn to use his length and learn to draw contact better. He will also start getting calls on both ends more fair. His turnovers are not very high but his ball handling will improve and so will his decision making that is already high for his age. Changing your shooting style can take time but his shot looks better and I think he will start to make it more consistently. Killer instinct is a silly made up term. If there is such thing as a killer instinct it is a player that works his *** off and wants to be great, Exum has that.

 

[Goodluckchuck]

Yep, but what's interesting is he aced all the psyche tests he was given pre draft. Where did it all go wrong....

"The teams that got to interview him and do the (psychological) testing on them said that he tested off the charts," Ford said. "When you add that to an NBA style frame, those guys tend to not fail in the NBA."

https://www.nj.com/sixers/index.ssf/2014/06/2014_nba_draft_is_dante_exum_the_next_kobe_bryant.html

I remember when he was a rookie in his first summer league game. He scored like 12 points. Was aggressive. And then he got fouled hard under the basket. After that he never took it in again during the summer. I think a lot of his problem is mental. But he isn't ever going to be a star like projected if he doesn't develop a jump shot. And it isn't like a jump shots are taught. You have to have some mechanics to begin with. And his is pretty bad. If he can learn the stop and pop fade away with his speed he can be dominate. But til then I will give it time, be patient and hope for the best. But expect the worst.


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[Saint Cy of JFC]

Exum is fine, he is just in over his head right now. His rookie year the team had 0 expectations. Now we do and he isnt ready after being injured for a year. He needs to go to the D-League once Hill comes back so he can get some minutes running a team with less pressure.

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

I remember Deron Williams in his first year could not get to the rim at all. Got blocked almost every time or missed badly trying not to get blocked. Exum has already shown more ability to get to the rim than Deron did in his first year. He has the ability to play good D and an ability to get to the rim, and people are giving up him already. Actually, a lot of people gave up on him his first year, despite Utah being a winning team and putting up a historically good defense with Dante starting.

Honestly, a lot of fans just don't have realistic ideas about player development from a kid who skipped playing college ball. It's going to take a few years. Hell, even players who were great PGs in college usually don't turn the corner in the NBA until year 3. Nothing but unrealistic expectations from those giving up on him already.

I'd rather cash out to someone that thinks they can mold him. Would be curious to know what Philly or Milwaukee would offer. If it was a good first rounder I'd think long and hard... if it was a good first rounder and a decent rotation player.. I'd be in.

No chance he gets traded on his own. Nobody would give up a high enough pick to make it worthwhile. Only way he gets traded now is if he's a throw in with another player for impact player/big name.

I'm torn on whether we should move him and place our confidence in another prospect this offseason.

If the BPA is a PG and that guy comes in and proves to be a better prospect, then it's possible. Otherwise, I don't think Utah gives up on him just to gamble on someone else who almost certainly won't have the combination of length/quickness that Dante has.

 

[fishonjazz]

I remember Deron Williams in his first year could not get to the rim at all. Got blocked almost every time or missed badly trying not to get blocked. Exum has already shown more ability to get to the rim than Deron did in his first year. He has the ability to play good D and an ability to get to the rim, and people are giving up him already.

Not how I remember d will rookie year.
I remember everyone wanting him to play more and then when he finally got to he looked very promising.

I would be interested to know how d will rookie stats compare to exum stats from his rookie year or this year even.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I remember Deron Williams in his first year could not get to the rim at all. Got blocked almost every time or missed badly trying not to get blocked. Exum has already shown more ability to get to the rim than Deron did in his first year. He has the ability to play good D and an ability to get to the rim, and people are giving up him already. Actually, a lot of people gave up on him his first year, despite Utah being a winning team and putting up a historically good defense with Dante starting.

Honestly, a lot of fans just don't have realistic ideas about player development from a kid who skipped playing college ball. It's going to take a few years. Hell, even players who were great PGs in college usually don't turn the corner in the NBA until year 3. Nothing but unrealistic expectations from those giving up on him already.



No chance he gets traded on his own. Nobody would give up a high enough pick to make it worthwhile. Only way he gets traded now is if he's a throw in with another player for impact player/big name.



If the BPA is a PG and that guy comes in and proves to be a better prospect, then it's possible. Otherwise, I don't think Utah gives up on him just to gamble on someone else who almost certainly won't have the combination of length/quickness that Dante has.

I think Philly might offer something decent for him. He might be a good fit with what they have going. If they aren't interested I think you are right, but there is always one or two puzzling trades so who knows.

The flashes people talk about are not that great and there are some really weird things to his game. He may put it together but as someone mentioned it won't be over night and he will need real reps to do it. Is it a 2 year process before he's a good NBA player... 3 years... 4? If he hasn't shown it by next year we have to extend him in good faith that it happens... His time table to be good is just too long.

Now please everyone talk about the amazing summer league game he had once and the time he scored on Westbrook twice and proclaim him the next penny hardaway... on both those Westbrook moves he got to the rim by fumbling the ball and when the defender gambled he scored... also Ingles had two blow bys on Westbrook in the same game. Westbrook is not a particularly good defender. Those finishes were good but nothing spectacular.

 

[Jazz4ever]

Not how I remember d will rookie year.
I remember everyone wanting him to play more and then when he finally got to he looked very promising.

I would be interested to know how d will rookie stats compare to exum stats from his rookie year or this year even.

It's not remotely close. DWill scored over 20 points 6 times in his rookie year. Dante's career high to date is 14 points.
It is true DWill struggled to get to the line his rookie year.

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

Not how I remember d will rookie year.
I remember everyone wanting him to play more and then when he finally got to he looked very promising.

I would be interested to know how d will rookie stats compare to exum stats from his rookie year or this year even.

Pretty sure you drank too much during Jazz games that year. Deron was obviously a better shooter, but his ability to get to the rim was very concerning his first year. Fans wanted him to play more because he was a top pick, kind of like how fans complained this year about Mack playing in front of Dante. Fans wanting a high pick to play more really doesn't mean anything.

Anyway, believe what you want, but Deron made a big improvement in his ability to get to the rim in his second year. He didn't come into the league as a complete NBA player. It took some time, and it only stands to reason that a kid who skipped college ball and trying to come back from a serious injury would take some time to develop.

Also, when comparing rookie stats, one player had 3 years to develop in college compared to the other player who had zero. Not exactly apples to apples.