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Joel Embiid is one of the best rookies ever to play in the NBA.. They're 5½ out of the playoffs.. They'll do it IMO.
Crazy to think what he'll be like when he has Simmons passing him the ball. That duo has even more potential than Wiggins/Towns, or Giannis/Jabari, which is really saying something.

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Still don't understand how he fell all the way to the Spurs. Was a gift.


i think every fan who followed the draft *cringed* when this dude fell to the Spurs.

I knew he wasn't gonna bust the second he fell to them. Brutal. They wont lose their footing (in terms of PG) whatsoever the second Tony retires
 
Crazy to think what he'll be like when he has Simmons passing him the ball. That duo has even more potential than Wiggins/Towns, or Giannis/Jabari, which is really saying something.

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I like Towns/Wiggins better. I have a bit of a gripe against Simmons though, I just think he's an ******* (nothing too serious)
 
Magic be like: "We tried rebuilding for 5 years. It didn't work. Now let's just get some vets and contend for some 5 seeds and pretend like we never tried rebuilding to begin with until we do our next rebuild"

They've done it the wrong way, didn't let the team bottom out properly... They've done a poor job hiring people and it's trickled down to the squad.
 
They've done it the wrong way, didn't let the team bottom out properly... They've done a poor job hiring people and it's trickled down to the squad.

Main problem is that they didn't take risks with their picks IMO. Aaron Gordon was their most risky pick arguably.
 
Main problem is that they didn't take risks with their picks IMO. Aaron Gordon was their most risky pick arguably.

They took plenty of risk (what's more risky than drafting a small school PG w/ no jump shot in the lottery?). They just made some weird choices that seemed objectively terrible the moment they were made. I disagree they had to bottom out completely to succeed in a rebuild, that's absurd (at least it was 2 years ago when they had plenty of assets to make moves with). The Nuggets didnt do that and their rebuild is looking great. It also doesnt help when you miss on a high lottery pick like they did with Hezonja and trade away their 2nd overall pick, who had mild success, in Oladipo.

I still dont get the Ibaka trade at all. I dont get giving Biyombo that albatross contract. I dont get dealing Tobias Harris away for nothing. I dont get trying to make Aaron Gordon a SF in a league where going smaller is the obvious move. I dont get signing Jeff Green.

The thing is now I feel like they actually do have to bottom out their team now because they dealt away so many assets for pennies on the dollar and screwed themselves with bad contracts. Best thing they can do now is deal away everyone who isnt Aaron Gordon or Evan Fournier. Get rid of everyone else if possible. I'd probably hold on to Hezonja too just because he has 0 trade value. If I'm the Orlando owner I get Hinkie on the phone because he is surely the only one who can save them from the hole they dug for themselves.
 
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They took plenty of risk (what's more risky than drafting a small school PG w/ no jump shot in the lottery?). They just made some weird choices that seemed objectively terrible the moment they were made. I disagree they had to bottom out completely to succeed in a rebuild, that's absurd (at least it was 2 years ago when they had plenty of assets to make moves with). The Nuggets didnt do that and their rebuild is looking great. It also doesnt help when you miss on a high lottery pick like they did with Hezonja and trade away their 2nd overall pick, who had mild success, in Oladipo.

I still dont get the Ibaka trade at all. I dont get giving Biyombo that albatross contract. I dont get dealing Tobias Harris away for nothing. I dont get trying to make Aaron Gordon a SF in a league where going smaller is the obvious move. I dont get signing Jeff Green.

The thing is now I feel like they actually do have to bottom out their team now because they dealt away so many assets for pennies on the dollar and screwed themselves with bad contracts. Best thing they can do now is deal away everyone who isnt Aaron Gordon or Evan Fournier. Get rid of everyone else if possible. I'd probably hold on to Hezonja too just because he has 0 trade value. If I'm the Orlando owner I get Hinkie on the phone because he is surely the only one who can save them from the hole they dug for themselves.

I don't think Payton was a risky pick. He was in the LaVine, Saric range. All of those looked flawed in some way at the time. I'm not even sure he's going to be the worst of the group when it's all said and done. The issue with Payton was giving up the '16 Sixers 1st round pick. If my mind doesn't trick me it was even unprotected. They basically traded Saric + Simmons for Payton - unless I'm wrong. then they didn't!
I'm also not sure that Gordon can't develop into a Jimmy Butler kinda of player. He seems to get better every year.
Oladipo was the safe pick. He got better than expected and trading him was probably wrong when you consider everything about Ibaka, but they could have taken Giannis #2. That would have been a ballsy high risk, high reward pick. Dallas was at its peak of retardation this year and basically gave the #13 away for whoever would give them capspace to pursue Deron Williams. They could have gotten that and picked Giannis/Rudy as a high upside pick. They didn't.
In '15 they didn't select Turner/Booker. They did not hit their draft picks at this point at least.
Changing coaches like they did probably didn't help as well.
I agree they should do a hard reset right now because their retooling was a catastrophe. The rebuild should start at management in case those decisions aren't "overinvoled owner who has no clue" kind of decisions.
 
Elfrid Payton was't a risky pick in that range IMO,if you apply team needs/systems perhaps. I had him rated right around where he went, in the fringe of lottery.


I really think their issue is more of a lack of congruence as an organization, they seem fragmented. I can't help but think of Skiles rift with theGM.
 
Elfrid Payton was't a risky pick IMO,if you apply team needs/systems perhaps, I had him rated right around where he went, in the fringe of lottery.

So was he or wasn't he a risky pick. Your previous statement was small school PG without a jumpshot is risky to pick up. The answer now confuses me.
But if you want to say that he's not that risky when you surround him with good spacing, then I agree.
 
So was he or wasn't he a risky pick. Your previous statement was small school PG without a jumpshot is risky to pick up. The answer now confuses me.
But if you want to say that he's not that risky when you surround him with good spacing, then I agree.
You are confusing pgab with cy
 
So was he or wasn't he a risky pick. Your previous statement was small school PG without a jumpshot is risky to pick up. The answer now confuses me.
But if you want to say that he's not that risky when you surround him with good spacing, then I agree.

I don't buy that small school **** for half a second. Holds no weight with me. You can ball or you can't.
 
Hornacek is gonna get chewed up and spit out of NY. The Knicks execution at the end of games has been horrific and people are on to it, If that continues it'll be his deathknell.

3-12 in the last 15 games, allowing 110PPG...
 
So was he or wasn't he a risky pick. Your previous statement was small school PG without a jumpshot is risky to pick up. The answer now confuses me.
But if you want to say that he's not that risky when you surround him with good spacing, then I agree.

Drafting a PG with no jump shot is a risk. And yes, drafting players from mid-major is generally considered a risk even if PGAB doesnt agree.
 
I don't think Payton was a risky pick. He was in the LaVine, Saric range. All of those looked flawed in some way at the time. I'm not even sure he's going to be the worst of the group when it's all said and done. The issue with Payton was giving up the '16 Sixers 1st round pick. If my mind doesn't trick me it was even unprotected. They basically traded Saric + Simmons for Payton - unless I'm wrong. then they didn't!
I'm also not sure that Gordon can't develop into a Jimmy Butler kinda of player. He seems to get better every year.
Oladipo was the safe pick. He got better than expected and trading him was probably wrong when you consider everything about Ibaka, but they could have taken Giannis #2. That would have been a ballsy high risk, high reward pick. Dallas was at its peak of retardation this year and basically gave the #13 away for whoever would give them capspace to pursue Deron Williams. They could have gotten that and picked Giannis/Rudy as a high upside pick. They didn't.
In '15 they didn't select Turner/Booker. They did not hit their draft picks at this point at least.
Changing coaches like they did probably didn't help as well.
I agree they should do a hard reset right now because their retooling was a catastrophe. The rebuild should start at management in case those decisions aren't "overinvoled owner who has no clue" kind of decisions.

So a risky pick to you is just drafting a player no one has projected in that range?
 
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