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Exum Defense vs Bucks - Video

Mission Accomplished said:
You might not like it but it is true. Some players get slack on the Jazz including with fans. But, that is the world we live in. I still remember dwill chucking the ball at a timid Hayward. On a good team yet Hayward still got minutes. Those are the breaks right?

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Mission, this shows a total lack of concentration and dedication to the game by Dante. He's got to get his head in the game or he's not going to make it in the NBA. Quin is doing the right thing. It's either sink or swim time with Dante. The Jazz have coddled him long enough. They gave him plenty of slack during his rookie year, and this is the year he's supposed to start making his mark. Instead, he seems, as Jerry used to say, disinterested. He just doesn't seem to have enough fire in him. I don't know why they don't send him to the D-League. Ask Jazz management that question. Maybe Dante is just too fragile, emotionally, to make it in the NBA.
 
Mantis said:
He definitely can be assigned. Has been once already, just for a practice, but not for a game, which is what he really needs. Or do you mean we can't question Snyder's decisions?
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He can't. Read the rules. 3rd year players have to agree to go to the D-League. Just because he agreed to go to a practice doesnt he will agree to play in a game. It's clear him and/or his agent declined to play in the game Neto/Burks played in.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
He can't. Read the rules. 3rd year players have to agree to go to the D-League. Just because he agreed to go to a practice doesnt he will agree to play in a game. It's clear him and/or his agent declined to play in the game Neto/Burks played in.
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Yeah, I remember he was sent down to practice, but didn't realize that's why he didn't play. I think then that shows perhaps an unwillingness to do what's needed or to recognize his deficiencies. Look, Burks even played. Why not Dante? Guess this is an indication that his attitude is not what it should be. Maybe this is why he's in the doghouse now.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
He can't. Read the rules. 3rd year players have to agree to go to the D-League. Just because he agreed to go to a practice doesnt he will agree to play in a game. It's clear him and/or his agent declined to play in the game Neto/Burks played in.
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Some reporter (@andylarsen?) should look into this. There is a chance this is true but it is just speculation right now.

If it is true it would be disappointing if the Jazz staff wants Exum playing there and he is refusing.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Some reporter (@andylarsen?) should look into this. There is a chance this is true but it is just speculation right now.

If it is true it would be disappointing if the Jazz staff wants Exum playing there and he is refusing.
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The rule is 100% true.

We will never know if the Jazz asked him to play. It would be extremely poor decision to air Dante out like that, so we will never know for certain, but I guarantee it's the case. No other reason I can see why only 2 of the 3 guys who practiced with the team played and Exum didnt.
 
mdalby said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3rgMSekmIE
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This is a poor rotation. It looks like Exum feels/thinks he should stick to the PG and not switch to the center. Obviously Gobert switches and the Jazz usually switch on everything. I think the bigger problem is Exum does not get around the screen fast or well enough to stick with his man. Gobert should front to prevent the shot but Exum should get there quick enough that they dont need to switch.

Exum does close out on him but just slow. The first one he slips on trying to turn around or he would have made it. He does slip a lot although so does Hayward, maybe they need new shoes or to lace up tighter. Although even if he gets all the way there he isnt going to block his shot. All he can do is put a hand up and get shot over. The second one he doesnt slip and just closes out slow although again he get there and gets a hand up, even if he is 1 or 2 steps closer he isnt going to do much unless he jumps up to try and block and then he is going to foul. Quin coaches the players to close out fast and get a hand up, not to jump and try and block the shot unless they are jumping straight up.

It also looks like Exum does not understand the 2 players they are guarding. It seems like he doesnt know Maker is a threat from three. Although after he makes the first he should have figured that out. Everyone kind of looked surprised he made it though so maybe he thought it was a fluke.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
The rule is 100% true.

We will never know if the Jazz asked him to play. It would be extremely poor decision to air Dante out like that, so we will never know for certain, but I guarantee it's the case. No other reason I can see why only 2 of the 3 guys who practiced with the team played and Exum didnt.
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I believe you on the rule. I havent looked it up but I believe you. We wont know for sure but asking would give a better indication and they could ask not only different people on the coaching staff, Exum and his agent in different ways to get some what closer to an answer. If Jazz really want him to play there leaking info about it would pressure him to go play there. I think it is a possibility but I definitely dont think there is proof that is what happened. There are plenty of reasons. Exum is on a minute restriction and has been all season. Even when he was starting he got pulled at his minute mark. They have said they are easing him in with playing time and his knee has swollen up multiple times and they monitor that carefully.
 
Ron Mexico said:
This is a poor rotation. It looks like Exum feels/thinks he should stick to the PG and not switch to the center. Obviously Gobert switches and the Jazz usually switch on everything. I think the bigger problem is Exum does not get around the screen fast or well enough to stick with his man. Gobert should front to prevent the shot but Exum should get there quick enough that they dont need to switch.

Exum does close out on him but just slow. The first one he slips on trying to turn around or he would have made it. He does slip a lot although so does Hayward, maybe they need new shoes or to lace up tighter. Although even if he gets all the way there he isnt going to block his shot. All he can do is put a hand up and get shot over. The second one he doesnt slip and just closes out slow although again he get there and gets a hand up, even if he is 1 or 2 steps closer he isnt going to do much unless he jumps up to try and block and then he is going to foul. Quin coaches the players to close out fast and get a hand up, not to jump and try and block the shot unless they are jumping straight up.

It also looks like Exum does not understand the 2 players they are guarding. It seems like he doesnt know Maker is a threat from three. Although after he makes the first he should have figured that out. Everyone kind of looked surprised he made it though so maybe he thought it was a fluke.
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He made three in a row, and even Harpring was saying Maker can make that, early in the game he mentioned it. So I'm sure the Jazz coaches had prepared the players for that. Yes, the Jazz had a comfortable lead but playing like this shows a lack of heart on Dante's part, and that has been the biggest criticism of him, that he's soft. This also may show that he's not listening or paying attention to the coaching staff.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
He made three in a row, and even Harpring was saying Maker can make that, early in the game he mentioned it. So I'm sure the Jazz coaches had prepared the players for that. Yes, the Jazz had a comfortable lead but playing like this shows a lack of heart on Dante's part, and that has been the biggest criticism of him, that he's soft. This also may show that he's not listening or paying attention to the coaching staff.
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Being soft is far from the biggest criticism on him, if it is a knock on him at all.

Thon has shown he can make the three although he is only shooting .7 a game and I doubt Thon made it into the scouting report. He is playing next to no minutes this season, there are much bigger fish to worry about. He basically doubled his career high in points, three points attempted, three points made and that is the most he has ever played in a game.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Being soft is far from the biggest criticism on him, if it is a knock on him at all.

Thon has shown he can make the three although he is only shooting .7 a game and I doubt Thon made it into the scouting report. He is playing next to no minutes this season, there are much bigger fish to worry about. He basically doubled his career high in points, three points attempted, three points made and that is the most he has ever played in a game.
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But in my opinion this showed a lack of intensity on Dante's part, which could be called being soft. Does he want to be an NBA player or not? Playing like this to me indicates a problem with his attitude. Watch how Neto plays when he gets in the game and contrast that with Dante, or maybe until this changes, we should call him, Wimpy Exum.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
But in my opinion this showed a lack of intensity on Dante's part, which could be called being soft. Does he want to be an NBA player or not? Playing like this to me indicates a problem with his attitude. Watch how Neto plays when he gets in the game and contrast that with Dante.
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I dont see the lack of intensity in him at all, including this play. Getting stuck in no man's land does not mean he isnt trying. He does not know what to do on the play but once he realizes there is an open man about to shoot he tries to close out. Exum is much more likely on defense to be too aggressive than not trying.
 
Ron Mexico said:
I dont see the lack of intensity in him at all, including this play. Getting stuck in no man's land does not mean he isnt trying. He does not know what to do on the play but once he realizes there is an open man about to shoot he tries to close out. Exum is much more likely on defense to be too aggressive than not trying.
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Watch the video. It certainly doesn't show him being aggressive. Apparently, Quin thought so too, because he immediately subbed him out. You can make all the excuses you want, but there is no doubt that Dante is a timid player. He gets open in the paint all the time and never shoots. He either takes threes or goes straight to the hole. He does lack strength which is why he is manhandled by opposing players like Bledsoe but I don't see enough fire or fight in him when that happens.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
Watch the video. It certainly doesn't show him being aggressive. Apparently, Quin thought so too, because he immediately subbed him out.
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I did watch the video. I am not sure what you mean by aggression but he does not get pulled because of aggression or lack thereof. He gets pulled for not rotating correctly multiple plays in a row. I am not sure what he is thinking that is just speculation. But I have watched Exum all year fairly close and his rookie year. He has never lacked aggression on the defensive side. That is not a knock on him.
 
Ron Mexico said:
I did watch the video. I am not sure what you mean by aggression but he does not get pulled because of aggression or lack thereof. He gets pulled for not rotating correctly multiple plays in a row. I am not sure what he is thinking that is just speculation. But I have watched Exum all year fairly close and his rookie year. He has never lacked aggression on the defensive side. That is not a knock on him.
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Compare him with how, for example, Chris Johnson played defense. Dante has better tools, length and quicker feet, but you don't see the same level of intensity, or compare him to Mike Conley. I think attitude, intensity, timidity, all these factor in his failure to live up to expectations and this is what has got to change if he is going make it, let alone be a star in the NBA. You have a better explanation for this?
 
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