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fishonjazz said:
I wonder if Muslims feel the same way about their children. (Strong preference that they marry/date other muslims)
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I think most people in any group feel strongly about those things. Are socialist parents going to approve of a daughter dating a Trump voter? Would you let your girl marry a Rockets fan?
 
JustTheTip said:
I think most people in any group feel strongly about those things. Are socialist parents going to approve of a daughter dating a Trump voter? Would you let your girl marry a Rockets fan?
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Exactly
 
For me personally in regards to this discussion... I'm agnostic so I don't care what religion my daughter dates/marries.

I also don't care if she dates/marries a Lakers fan, rockets fan, utes fan, etc.

I don't care if she dates/marries a black, asian, hispanic, white person etc etc.

I don't care if she dates/marries a guy or a girl.

Don't care if they are rich or poor.

All I care about is if they are nice and if they treat her good. That's kind of how I judge people in general. If you are nice then I dont care if you are smart or dumb, rich or poor, what race, religion, political affiliation, ugly, attractive, etc etc..... if you are a nice person then it's almost a certainty that i will like you.
 
colton said:
Yes, we believe in the Bible and in Jesus. We also believe that missionary work is being done in the hereafter, see e.g. 1 Peter 4:6--"For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit."
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I understand your teachings there. Needless to say, we have a different interpretation of it. You still understand my standpoint though? Don't be burdened by an uneven yoke?
 
jimmy eat jazz said:
Did you actually read my post? Let's review:

1. Racism has different dimenions, including (1) negative stereotypes, (2) hatred, (3) domination/oppression.
2. Whites are victims of (1) and (2) but not (3)

So, whites can be vicitims of racism--that is some elements of it--but not the primary, most destructive way it manifests itself in society. If you want to make the case that blacks have been systematically oppressing whites, I'd love to hear it.

If you want to debate, get an f'n clue and turn off your knee jerk, brain dead response function.
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i have heard of this ******** definition before.

it is leftist ******** hogwash. so i pay it no mind
 
redeinfig racism from "prejudice against a person or group because of their race" to "prejudice with power"
is stupid or only racist people want, because then they can justify their RACISM! while being in position to asert that all other forms of racism is wrong.


only thier brand of racism has validity. that is incredibly FASCIST! and show the evil of the left.


and go ahead keep negging me for having a different opinion.
or stating the truth in the global warming thread
 
JustTheTip said:
I think most people in any group feel strongly about those things. Are socialist parents going to approve of a daughter dating a Trump voter? Would you let your girl marry a Rockets fan?
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Fortunately, this is changing. Thank god our early leaders were full of crap when it came to stuff like this and thank god we didn't listen to them.

We are better than this.
 
JustTheTip said:
I understand your teachings there. Needless to say, we have a different interpretation of it. You still understand my standpoint though? Don't be burdened by an uneven yoke?
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I think so. I also think there's a lot of upside for marriage stability in marrying someone with similar background/beliefs as you.
 
Proof that modern day liberalism is nothing more than a fashion show of virtue signalling. The same people who claim to be so righteous when it comes to immigration, held very different points of view not that long ago. The facts haven't changed. Only the fashion has changed.

[video=youtube_share;JQJlmFqUA8w]https://youtu.be/JQJlmFqUA8w
 
Ron Mexico said:
Yes, when there is no proof of that or danger of that in our country. It is a witch hunt. How many people have been killed by people from the countries Trump attempted to ban in this county? 0. More white christian males rape women and oppress them in this country than any other group even per capita. Provo, Ut has a very high rate of sexual abuse. Sexual abuse among LDS communities is higher than average for the US.

Here are some stats about Utah in general


https://www.health.utah.gov/vipp/topics/rape-sexual-assault/
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That is interesting and my purposes is not to discount your statistics (they are not really statistics). In the sake of honesty an clarity, there are several cultural characteristics that coincide with increased an suppressed rape reportings.

Normally I would not bother pointing this out but you seem to harbour some deep seeded I'll-will an hate toward Mormons. You try to mask it by coming across as the not racist guy cause he has a black friend, but your tracks have left a discernible record in the mud.

Is there a reason you feel so strongly about calling out Mormons so often?
 
obama was in a position of power, yet i got banned for racism towards obama. thats an oxymoron right there according to this new definition of racism!!


every day people wher ewcalled racist for disagreeing with obama. how can that be obama was in POWER.

this "new definition" makes 0 sense and should be shoved where the sun dont shine
 
Boris said:
That is interesting and my purposes is not to discount your statistics (they are not really statistics). In the sake of honesty an clarity, there are several cultural characteristics that coincide with increased an suppressed rape reportings.

Normally I would not bother pointing this out but you seem to harbour some deep seeded I'll-will an hate toward Mormons. You try to mask it by coming across as the not racist guy cause he has a black friend, but your tracks have left a discernible record in the mud.

Is there a reason you feel so strongly about calling out Mormons so often?
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It is not the same and is a bad comparison. I have stated I do not like the LDS/Mormon religion. I dont know that I dislike it more than a lot of other religions, especially very devote religions who believe they are right and others are wrong. I think most major religions are a negative impact on the world and on a lot of individuals within them and around them. I think the LDS along with other religions have some positive impact as well. I have seen the negative impact the LDS church has had on lots and lots of people personally. I also see most religions as being somewhat brainwashing. Since it is hammered into kids minds and very little choice is given when you are raised in a religion. That is why most stay the same religion they were raised in yet most people think their religion is right and the others are partially wrong or completely wrong. Almost every person who believes their religion is right and the other is wrong have the same story of how they know it is true, even on subjects that are very opposite in belief.

Being black is not a choice being a certain religion is a choice. A better comparison for this is things my friends or other people choose for themselves. Many of my friends and people smoke. I think it is a bad life choice and I dont like being around smoke. If it were up to me I would prefer no one smoke. I dont want to ban it. I am still friends with people who smoke despite the fact I do not like it. I have smoked before and every now and then ill smoke a cigar. I understand why people smoke, I know there are some benefits to smoking. I still think its bad for people. I dont mind if people smoke if they dont force me to be around it, and if they arent trying to force me to smoke or bugging me about it all the time. People have the freedom to smoke but I also have the freedom to think its bad for you. I dont bug my smoking friends to not smoke. I could go on for awhile with the comparison or any other choice people make that I dont like but am still friends with them.
 
jimmy eat jazz said:
Racism has different dimensions. There's the negative stereotpying dimension, there's the hate dimension, and there is inevitably the power dimension. Socially, racism ultimately manifests itself in terms of one group seeking to gain power over another to dominate/oppress them. Thus while whites, as a group, may well be victims of negative stereotyping or hate, they have not, nor are they likely to be, dominated or oppressed as a group by blacks, a least not in the US.

To hear/see white people cry about reverse racism is pathetic, as it always is when the powerful whine and complain.
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If blacks are not racist against whites, then why is it so, that it is perfectly safe for white american war veterans (and also other tourists) to walk in Hiroshima or Nagasaki without problems even during the middle of the night, but when Peter Gabriel and Paul Simon go to Soweto (alone, without journalist, bodyguards etc), it is not so sure they survive the trip? I hope you are not saying that blacks in South Africa have suffered more compared to people in Hiroshima or Nagasaki and therefore have more rights to counterattack?
Or do i have some misinformation about Paul Simon? I.e he has not done anything good for African people?

Disclaimer: i have not been in Soweto. The most slum like place where i have been is Pahar Ganj in Delhi. Which, IMHO, is safe place in general. I have been in Japan 2x times.
 
Ron Mexico said:
It is not the same and is a bad comparison. I have stated I do not like the LDS/Mormon religion. I dont know that I dislike it more than a lot of other religions, especially very devote religions who believe they are right and others are wrong. I think most major religions are a negative impact on the world and on a lot of individuals within them and around them. I think the LDS along with other religions have some positive impact as well. I have seen the negative impact the LDS church has had on lots and lots of people personally. I also see most religions as being somewhat brainwashing. Since it is hammered into kids minds and very little choice is given when you are raised in a religion. That is why most stay the same religion they were raised in yet most people think their religion is right and the others are partially wrong or completely wrong. Almost every person who believes their religion is right and the other is wrong have the same story of how they know it is true, even on subjects that are very opposite in belief.

Being black is not a choice being a certain religion is a choice. A better comparison for this is things my friends or other people choose for themselves. Many of my friends and people smoke. I think it is a bad life choice and I dont like being around smoke. If it were up to me I would prefer no one smoke. I dont want to ban it. I am still friends with people who smoke despite the fact I do not like it. I have smoked before and every now and then ill smoke a cigar. I understand why people smoke, I know there are some benefits to smoking. I still think its bad for people. I dont mind if people smoke if they dont force me to be around it, and if they arent trying to force me to smoke or bugging me about it all the time. People have the freedom to smoke but I also have the freedom to think its bad for you. I dont bug my smoking friends to not smoke. I could go on for awhile with the comparison or any other choice people make that I dont like but am still friends with them.
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That's interesting. This world is a product of religious enlightenment. Schools, universities, hospitals, freedom, equality, adoption/foster/homeless shelters, al produced originally by religion.

I do not get this net negative attitude toward religion that has created the environment that allows you so many comforts an opportunity to express your discontent. Do not throw the baby out with the bath water.
 
Recent survey from Chatham House polled 10 European countries, 10,000 people total on if they wanted to keep on going with immigration from Muslim countries. Keep in mind, these countries have already taken immigrants in, and I believe most people were in favor of it.

Results? Across the board, 55% said no more, 25% neither agreed or disagreed, and 20% disagreed. That ranges from 71% in Poland to 41% in Spain. In no country did the percentage that disagreed surpass 32%. And it wasn't just old people...44% of millennials said no more.

So, should we learn from the people that are currently experiencing this mass migration? I struggle, because I think it's wrong to turn people away. Interesting survey though.
 
This giant mass influx of immigrants from wildly different cultures only creates strife and tensions.

Now I am not anti-immigrant. Immigration is a wonderful thing. America is a country of immigrants. We should keep that, but we need to do a much better job of integrating those immigrants into our society.

Edit: One piece of that puzzle is tackling the language barriers. English classes/lessons for immigrants and better multi language teaching in American schools.
 
JustTheTip said:
Recent survey from Chatham House polled 10 European countries, 10,000 people total on if they wanted to keep on going with immigration from Muslim countries. Keep in mind, these countries have already taken immigrants in, and I believe most people were in favor of it.

Results? Across the board, 55% said no more, 25% neither agreed or disagreed, and 20% disagreed. That ranges from 71% in Poland to 41% in Spain. In no country did the percentage that disagreed surpass 32%. And it wasn't just old people...44% of millennials said no more.

So, should we learn from the people that are currently experiencing this mass migration? I struggle, because I think it's wrong to turn people away. Interesting survey though.
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I think there is some legitimate concern about how immigration of large numbers of people with very different culture and mores affects societal development. Not enough legitimate concern, however, to bar these people from immigrating. I think that to date the American experience is that withing a least a generation or two, immigrants become pretty culturally assimilated.
 
fishonjazz said:
For me personally in regards to this discussion... I'm agnostic so I don't care what religion my daughter dates/marries.

I also don't care if she dates/marries a Lakers fan, rockets fan, utes fan, etc.

I don't care if she dates/marries a black, asian, hispanic, white person etc etc.

I don't care if she dates/marries a guy or a girl.

Don't care if they are rich or poor.

All I care about is if they are nice and if they treat her good. That's kind of how I judge people in general. If you are nice then I dont care if you are smart or dumb, rich or poor, what race, religion, political affiliation, ugly, attractive, etc etc..... if you are a nice person then it's almost a certainty that i will like you.
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Well put. Same goes for son as well. Marrying a Lakers fan, however, would really, really test this concept for me, though.
 
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