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If blacks are not racist against whites, then why is it so, that it is perfectly safe for white american war veterans (and also other tourists) to walk in Hiroshima or Nagasaki without problems even during the middle of the night, but when Peter Gabriel and Paul Simon go to Soweto (alone, without journalist, bodyguards etc), it is not so sure they survive the trip? I hope you are not saying that blacks in South Africa have suffered more compared to people in Hiroshima or Nagasaki and therefore have more rights to counterattack?
Or do i have some misinformation about Paul Simon? I.e he has not done anything good for African people?

Disclaimer: i have not been in Soweto. The most slum like place where i have been is Pahar Ganj in Delhi. Which, IMHO, is safe place in general. I have been in Japan 2x times.

I have been to Soweto, not that it matters all that much. There is not a simplistic answer for this; certainly, poverty and years of oppression factor in, but there are probably other things. Your analogy to Hiroshima doesn't work; people in Hiroshima were not victims over decades of highly repressive, brutal minority rule. Yep, Johannesburg is a violent and dangerous place, but so are many others. I've worked in San Pedro Sula, Honduras, which has the highest murder rate in the world. The same race dynamics are not at work there, but it is a very dangerous, violent place. I would not feel safe walking around there. Is that because Honderenos are biased against whites?

I understand what you're trying to say, but you've latched onto a very, very simplistic way of thinking about a complex problem.
 
redeinfig racism from "prejudice against a person or group because of their race" to "prejudice with power"
is stupid or only racist people want, because then they can justify their RACISM! while being in position to asert that all other forms of racism is wrong.


only thier brand of racism has validity. that is incredibly FASCIST! and show the evil of the left.


and go ahead keep negging me for having a different opinion.
or stating the truth in the global warming thread

I suppose it would be disturbing if someone with your limited intellect agreed with anything I said.
 
I thought this was an interesting recent editorial in light of some of the comments in this thread:

https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/4881805-155/op-ed-utahs-religious-climate-helps-muslim

Here's something else I just ran across today, a few paragraphs of which also seem to relate (I bolded them).

https://federalistpress.com/major-new-study-of-religion-has-much-to-say-about-mormons.php

Major New Study of Religion Has Much to Say About Mormons
May 23, 2014 By Editor

A new and important study of religion in America has, among other things, a good deal to say about members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Recently published under the title American Grace: How Religion Divides and Unites Us, the sociological study was conducted by scholars Robert D. Putnam and David E. Campbell and yields valuable insight to the nature and social effects of American religion. Drawing from in-depth new surveys, the study’s authors affirm that in many respects, religion in America exerts a healthy influence upon American society — one that typically promotes generosity, trust, neighborliness, and civic engagement. And while Mormons are a relatively small component of American society, the study data reveals that they play a conspicuous part in American religious life.

Among the study’s findings related to Latter-day Saints are the following:

* Mormons are among the most devout religious groups in the country.
The American Grace study assessed a composite measure of “religiosity” that measured individuals’ levels of religious observance, the strength of their religious convictions about God and their faith, and the degree to which they feel their religion is personally important. As a group, Mormons registered a high level of “religiosity” (American Grace, 23-24).
* Mormons are among those most likely to keep their childhood faith as adults.
In an age of American religion where people often depart from the religion of their upbringing and where switching between religions is becoming more common, the study indicates that individuals raised as Latter-day Saints are among those most likely to keep their faith (137-138).
* Mormons are unusually giving.
Among the study’s larger conclusions is the fact that, in general, religion in America contributes to civic virtue, altruism, and good neighborliness. Study data, meanwhile, indicate that collectively Mormons are among the most charitable of Americans with their means and time, both in religious and nonreligious causes (452).
* Mormons are relatively friendly to other religious groups.
The study also reports that Mormons are among those most friendly toward those of other faiths. Relatively speaking, the United States has not been the scene of deep religious conflicts; it is and has been a place of remarkable religious tolerance and pluralism. Nevertheless, the study’s authors point out that Americans are divided by religion, and hence, American society is susceptible to religious discord. Indeed, American religious (and nonreligious) groups have various feelings about one another. While data suggest that Mormons are among those viewed least positively by many American religious groups, they themselves hold relatively positive views toward members of other faiths, including those outside of Christianity (505-508).
* Mormons are among the most likely to believe that one true religion exists, but also that those outside their faith can attain salvation or reach “heaven.”
The scholars behind the study conclude that while many American religions make claims to being exclusively “true,” few religionists in the United States actually believe that “one true religion” exists. Of all American faiths, Mormons are most likely to affirm that there is a “true” faith (546). However, in what might seem a paradox to those unfamiliar with Mormonism, study data also indicate that while many Mormons believe that there is a “true” religion, Mormons are also the most convinced of any group that those outside their faith — including non-Christians — can “go to heaven” or gain salvation (535-537). While this belief is general among American believers, it is, according to the study, strongest among Latter-day Saints.

By Robert D. Putnam and David E. Campbell, American Grace: How Religion Divides and Unites Us (New York: Simon and Schuster, 2010).
 
Tell me more. You seem to have answers for me based on your projections or assumptions about me. I did not say all Mormons are racist. I said in general they as a group tend to be based on their beliefs, which are rooted in racism. Mormons have a racist history, that is a fact. I don't think all Mormons fit into any category including racists. But I have seen plenty of racist Mormons, I don't find them to be above racism as a group and have found a higher number of them are subtle racists than the average person. Im as familiar as you can get with Mormons. There is nothing wrong with speaking out against the beliefs of Islam, I have never said that. I don't believe or support Islam or Christianity. I think they are equally dumb religions along with the Norse religion. The difference is I think people should be allowed to believe their religion and practice it as long as it does not interfere with others. Neither Mormons, atheist, Christians or Muslims should be discriminated against for their beliefs, unlike your beliefs where one group should be. Having had most of my neighbors as an adult be Mormon I would definitely choose to have my neighbor be a Muslim over a Mormon but I would choose an atheist over both, since they tend to be nicer more genuine people in my experience. Religious people tend to be nice because their religion tells them to be to gwt into heaven which is self serving and can be fake for some of them. Most atheist that are nice are nice because they are just nice people and follow the golden rule.

I wish when you had someone on ignore you wouldn't get notifications when they quote you and wouldnt see what they wrote. I assume hack for their sake is an alt.

Stereotypes tend(not always but often) to exist because many people fit into that category. It is a problem when you assume everyone fits into that category. I don't think all Mormons, Christians, Muslims or atheists fit into one stereotype.

Lol

And yet, here you are. Staying right in your comfort zone living around Mormons.

Its funny, why don't we see virtue signalling liberals such as yourself living in the middle east or in predominantly black neighborhoods in the US? Wouldn't it make sense to actually do what you claim you would rather do? Nobody is stopping you from moving away from your scary Mormon neighbors. Tell me, why do you continue to live in predominantly white neighborhoods?

If be willing to bet you have never even taken a trip to the middle east.
 
Lol

And yet, here you are. Staying right in your comfort zone living around Mormons.

Its funny, why don't we see virtue signalling liberals such as yourself living in the middle east or in predominantly black neighborhoods in the US? Wouldn't it make sense to actually do what you claim you would rather do? Nobody is stopping you from moving away from your scary Mormon neighbors. Tell me, why do you continue to live in predominantly white neighborhoods?

If be willing to bet you have never even taken a trip to the middle east.

I have moved. I love in SLC I have no mormon neighbor's, I very much enjoy SLC. Also I have lived lots of places out of SLC that have a variety of races and enjoyed them. My neighbors are mostly non white and many religions including Muslim. Neighborhood quality is tied to many things, race is not one of those factors. What is wrong with black neighborhoods? You seem to be implying there is something wrong.

Love how you get proven wrong with facts so often and then move on. Never addressing it again.

You never answered or addressed your other claims that were responded to...

What city do you live in and what religion are you?
 
Lol

And yet, here you are. Staying right in your comfort zone living around Mormons.

Its funny, why don't we see virtue signalling liberals such as yourself living in the middle east or in predominantly black neighborhoods in the US? Wouldn't it make sense to actually do what you claim you would rather do? Nobody is stopping you from moving away from your scary Mormon neighbors. Tell me, why do you continue to live in predominantly white neighborhoods?

If be willing to bet you have never even taken a trip to the middle east.

I only open these threads to see what hate Ron Mexico can spew. Dude has anger issues. I tell you do not get in his bad side he will probably stalk yo ***.
 
I have moved. I love in SLC I have no mormon neighbor's, I very much enjoy SLC. Also I have lived lots of places out of SLC that have a variety of races and enjoyed them. My neighbors are mostly non white and many religions including Muslim. Neighborhood quality is tied to many things, race is not one of those factors. What is wrong with black neighborhoods? You seem to be implying there is something wrong.

Love how you get proven wrong with facts so often and then move on. Never addressing it again.

You never answered or addressed your other claims that were responded to...

What city do you live in and what religion are you?

Living anywhere in Utah does not even come close to living in anything close to being diverse. So, nice try. Again, if you really were who you say you are, you would live somewhere more diverse and not so white.

The point I'm trying to make is that this new movement to paint white people as these awful racist Nazi's who are set on oppressing other people is complete nonsense. Don't deny it. You have been saying it with your own words. I quote "Mormons in general tend to be racist" You have went on many other rants along the same lines. If what you and other liberals say were true, then why in the heck is everyone in the world so desperate to come to the United States? Why are people not desperate to leave this horrible nation that was never great? Money isn't everything, and there is money other places. And apparently anywhere not white you will find no oppression and no racsim.

Ill tell you why. Its because everything you say is false. This is the greatest nation on earth. You will find the most freedom here. The most opportunity. The most love, etc... The United States like every single other nation in the world has had a blemmished history. But that still doesn't change the fact that the United States is still the world leader in goodness. There is still plenty of other countries that are still very oppressive. All you people are doing is wasting your time with this nonsense. In fact you are doing more harm than good. You arent helping. If you want to help, how about go to an actual oppressive country and try to fix that. Or speak out against that.

I'm not religious at all. And I absolutely love living in Utah and living around Mormons. I love the peace that this state provides. I do no take it for granted and talk trash about it. If I felt I lived around dangerous and bad people I would get up, get the **** out, and go somewhere peaceful.. You know, what all the people trying migrate here do.
 
Recent survey from Chatham House polled 10 European countries, 10,000 people total on if they wanted to keep on going with immigration from Muslim countries. Keep in mind, these countries have already taken immigrants in, and I believe most people were in favor of it.

Results? Across the board, 55% said no more, 25% neither agreed or disagreed, and 20% disagreed. That ranges from 71% in Poland to 41% in Spain. In no country did the percentage that disagreed surpass 32%. And it wasn't just old people...44% of millennials said no more.

So, should we learn from the people that are currently experiencing this mass migration? I struggle, because I think it's wrong to turn people away. Interesting survey though.

So, in addition to this, Merkel (PM of Germany) is now offering money to the refugees to get them to leave.

Friggin brilliant planning by Germany.
 
I only open these threads to see what hate Ron Mexico can spew. Dude has anger issues. I tell you do not get in his bad side he will probably stalk yo ***.

Having met Ron Mexico a few times I can assure you that he has no hate issues. That is incredibly ridiculous to claim in the first place as he has been pretty ****ing level-headed in all of these discussions.

The guy is incredibly friendly and easy going.

But don't take my word for it. I know I'm spazzing out constantly and melting down and just plain old angry, right?
 
Living anywhere in Utah does not even come close to living in anything close to being diverse. So, nice try. Again, if you really were who you say you are, you would live somewhere more diverse and not so white.

The point I'm trying to make is that this new movement to paint white people as these awful racist Nazi's who are set on oppressing other people is complete nonsense. Don't deny it. You have been saying it with your own words. I quote "Mormons in general tend to be racist" You have went on many other rants along the same lines. If what you and other liberals say were true, then why in the heck is everyone in the world so desperate to come to the United States? Why are people not desperate to leave this horrible nation that was never great? Money isn't everything, and there is money other places. And apparently anywhere not white you will find no oppression and no racsim.

Ill tell you why. Its because everything you say is false. This is the greatest nation on earth. You will find the most freedom here. The most opportunity. The most love, etc... The United States like every single other nation in the world has had a blemmished history. But that still doesn't change the fact that the United States is still the world leader in goodness. There is still plenty of other countries that are still very oppressive. All you people are doing is wasting your time with this nonsense. In fact you are doing more harm than good. You arent helping. If you want to help, how about go to an actual oppressive country and try to fix that. Or speak out against that.

I'm not religious at all. And I absolutely love living in Utah and living around Mormons. I love the peace that this state provides. I do no take it for granted and talk trash about it. If I felt I lived around dangerous and bad people I would get up, get the **** out, and go somewhere peaceful.. You know, what all the people trying migrate here do.

This movement to paint white people as racist Nazis is in your stupid *** imagination. No such movement exists in any significant way.

The fact is that when people were calling out Trump for racist comments he was making racist comments. His daddy Steve Bannon is a ****ing racist. Pointing that out is not uncalled for. We should be pointing it out.
 
This movement to paint white people as racist Nazis is in your stupid *** imagination. No such movement exists in any significant way.

The fact is that when people were calling out Trump for racist comments he was making racist comments. His daddy Steve Bannon is a ****ing racist. Pointing that out is not uncalled for. We should be pointing it out.
This.
All of computers thoughts and views are of the extremist hyperbole variety. Dutch too.

Trump says something racist. Gets called out for it.
To computer this means there is a witch hunt against all whites.
To dutch this means that the left/liberals are attacking the right/conservatives.

All it really means is that Trump has no filter and says **** he probably shouldn't say and gets called out for it.
 
Having met Ron Mexico a few times I can assure you that he has no hate issues. That is incredibly ridiculous to claim in the first place as he has been pretty ****ing level-headed in all of these discussions.

The guy is incredibly friendly and easy going.

But don't take my word for it. I know I'm spazzing out constantly and melting down and just plain old angry, right?

Boris has met me too. Or I mean one of his accounts has met me.
 
Living anywhere in Utah does not even come close to living in anything close to being diverse. So, nice try. Again, if you really were who you say you are, you would live somewhere more diverse and not so white.

The point I'm trying to make is that this new movement to paint white people as these awful racist Nazi's who are set on oppressing other people is complete nonsense. Don't deny it. You have been saying it with your own words. I quote "Mormons in general tend to be racist" You have went on many other rants along the same lines. If what you and other liberals say were true, then why in the heck is everyone in the world so desperate to come to the United States? Why are people not desperate to leave this horrible nation that was never great? Money isn't everything, and there is money other places. And apparently anywhere not white you will find no oppression and no racsim.

Ill tell you why. Its because everything you say is false. This is the greatest nation on earth. You will find the most freedom here. The most opportunity. The most love, etc... The United States like every single other nation in the world has had a blemmished history. But that still doesn't change the fact that the United States is still the world leader in goodness. There is still plenty of other countries that are still very oppressive. All you people are doing is wasting your time with this nonsense. In fact you are doing more harm than good. You arent helping. If you want to help, how about go to an actual oppressive country and try to fix that. Or speak out against that.

I'm not religious at all. And I absolutely love living in Utah and living around Mormons. I love the peace that this state provides. I do no take it for granted and talk trash about it. If I felt I lived around dangerous and bad people I would get up, get the **** out, and go somewhere peaceful.. You know, what all the people trying migrate here do.

I wrote a response but this doesnt warrant a response.

When you stop using strawman fallacy and get a real argument ill respond.
 
I only open these threads to see what hate Ron Mexico can spew. Dude has anger issues. I tell you do not get in his bad side he will probably stalk yo ***.

I do get angry about once a decade, so you got me there. I only stalk you at the bowling alley and Gameface meet ups. Although to be fair I didnt know you would be at either one.
 
This movement to paint white people as racist Nazis is in your stupid *** imagination. No such movement exists in any significant way.

The fact is that when people were calling out Trump for racist comments he was making racist comments. His daddy Steve Bannon is a ****ing racist. Pointing that out is not uncalled for. We should be pointing it out.

I do not think there is an active campaign to call whites, specifically white males, racist/sexist/bigots...

But I do think it is the easy and popular way out. It's often resorted to over the most trivial things.

Now, I also agree that when there are policies, statements, actions...of a racist nature we need to speak out. Particularly when it's other white males. Such as many of the current admins comments about Muslims during the campaign.
 
I dont want to out them. PM Boris and ask, maybe they will tell you.

He made a post a while back that if it is who you think it is they would have really had to pull some strange info that the person would not know, would not even understand the context of.

I have my doubts we know the true identity of [MENTION=4486]Boris[/MENTION].
 
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