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Sources: Utah has expressed interest in re-acquring Deron Williams

Ellis269 said:
Last year, I was hoping the Jazz would put up some cash to outbid Miami for Joe Johnson. I'd be fine with any of DWill, Bogut or Jones, but I don't want them going to stupid lengths to get it done.
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What's wrong with you? Today is the trade deadline. No room for reasonable posting. Save that stuff for after we win a couple games and the sky stops falling.
 
What player dealt at the deadline could have helped the Jazz so much that you are bitching about? I'm surprised at the salt towards the FO right. I wanted Dwill, but that was more just my nostalgia for him. I think the FO did the smart thing. We got to learn what we have in Exum, Burks, and Lyles.
 
Dave McMenamin
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Deron Williams, interestingly enough, is represented by Jeff Schwartz -- the same agent that Kevin Love, Kyle Korver and Richard Jefferson employ. It could take some maneuvering on his part to make sure no other teams put in a waiver bid on Williams if his client's intention is to end up in Cleveland.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
You aware the CBA expanded roster sizes, right?
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Yes sir I do know that... did you know most of those deals will go to the Ellijah Millsap's and Marcus Paige's of the world because the two way salary is still much lower than what guys can get overseas?
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
What player dealt at the deadline could have helped the Jazz so much that you are bitching about? I'm surprised at the salt towards the FO right. I wanted Dwill, but that was more just my nostalgia for him. I think the FO did the smart thing. We got to learn what we have in Exum, Burks, and Lyles.
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Not that I am sure we could get one of them, Lou and Ersan would definitely help. Deron could as well but it seems no-one bit Dallas' bluff. Taj maybe.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Yes sir I do know that... did you know most of those deals will go to the Ellijah Millsap's and Marcus Paige's of the world because the two way salary is still much lower than what guys can get overseas?
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No, I think you are wrong. There isn't that much money overseas (unless you are a guy like Jimmer who is very sought after) and Americans will prefer to play in an improved D-League that pays better and is becoming increasingly integrated to individual NBA teams.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
What player dealt at the deadline could have helped the Jazz so much that you are bitching about? I'm surprised at the salt towards the FO right. I wanted Dwill, but that was more just my nostalgia for him. I think the FO did the smart thing. We got to learn what we have in Exum, Burks, and Lyles.
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Illyasova or Tucker would have been nice and the cost was fine.

Would show us what using a true stretch four looks like next to Gobert... We are basically amazing with JJ at the 4. Would love to see Diaw or Lyles minutes go to one of those guys.

It's more of an overall frustration at our cap management... if no move (extension for Hill, waiver wire pickup, adding a key piece through trade) it shows that we have not managed that asset well or are just cheap asses... take your pick? Either we can't read the tea leaves or aren't willing to invest at more than a minimum level.
 
Hekate said:
Not that I am sure we could get one of them, Lou and Ersan would definitely help. Deron could as well but it seems no-one bit Dallas' bluff. Taj maybe.
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Lou required a first round pick. I feel better keeping the pick. I loved the idea of Lou, he would have been fun. Go look at his playoff stats though. He sucks in the playoffs and is one of the league's worst defenders. No guarantee he really improves our team that much. Is it worth wasting a 1st rounder to give him minutes over Burks/Exum (yes, both of them would lose some minutes to him)? I would have been fine with either choice TBH, I see the positive/negatives of both. Not going to bitch about it either way. I like the draft coming up. Go look at Jonathan Motley highlights, it will cheer you up.

And the Ersan trade would have been nice, but I think Philly/Atlanta had previous traded picks and they were able to better some of those picks through the trade that they had previously dealt to Atlanta? Not entirely sure on those details.

I like that the Jazz committed to the players we have on our roster. It will be fun watching our team compete and not some rentals who are going to be gone in a half year or 1.5 years.
 
Cappy_Smurf said:
What's wrong with you? Today is the trade deadline. No room for reasonable posting. Save that stuff for after we win a couple games and the sky stops falling.
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you are one of my favorite posters, but you have a truly awful way of acknowledging posters who disagree with your perspective. It's right up there with Cy.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
No, I think you are wrong. There isn't that much money overseas (unless you are a guy like Jimmer who is very sought after) and Americans will prefer to play in an improved D-League that pays better and is becoming increasingly integrated to individual NBA teams.
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Several agents are poo-pooing the 2-way deals. They get like 75K when they are in the d league and are only eligible to be called up by one team... a 10-day contract pays a minimum of 50k... Basically any good prospect is likely not going to want to be on a 2-way deal because the increase salary is not enough.

It will piss agents off (which is our number one concern I guess) to put a good second round pick on one of those deals.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Several agents are poo-pooing the 2-way deals. They get like 75K when they are in the d league and are only eligible to be called up by one team... a 10-day contract pays a minimum of 50k... Basically any good prospect is likely not going to want to be on a 2-way deal because the increase salary is not enough.

It will piss agents off (which is our number one concern I guess) to put a good second round pick on one of those deals.
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Wow agents were critical of something that will pay their clients less money than they wanted their clients paid? Crazy ****. Just google stories of players playing overseas. There are a handful of good overseas jobs and then there are ones that are a complete headache.
 
Ya, pretty stupid we didnt make a move. Lou Williams would have been a great pick up for us. We could have easily outbid Houston too.

Thats the Jazz for ya though. This **** is like ground hogs day on Jazzfanz too. Smart people bitch about the Jazz sitting on their hands. The dummies defend the Jazz. We look back and it always turns out that the Jazz should have and could have done something. The next year rolls around. The Jazz are treading water as usual. Same arguments are made. Same results. Weeeeee. Round and round we go. Where this circus ends, nobody knows.

I'm so tired of hearing about how important George Hill is. The dude has done squat for this team or his career in general, and morons want to pay him 20 million a year. For a guy who barely plays and is getting older by the minute. But **** Lou Williams he is too cheap, on a short deal and only makes every shot he takes practically. But defense? Oh wait, we have freaking Gobert. The whole reason why we have good defense and could work with Lou Williams.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Wow agents were critical of something that will pay their clients less money than they wanted their clients paid? Crazy ****. Just google stories of players playing overseas. There are a handful of good overseas jobs and then there are ones that are a complete headache.
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I'm guessing the players feel the same way genius... basically what I'm saying is those are likely going to be spots for guys that don't get drafted not picks in the 30s-40s of the second round. Even if they earn the max it is like 275k... not the $1M that second rounders will get in the new CBA. So even if you promise to keep them here for the max time they lose 75% of their salary... only fringe guys like Wallace, Paige, and others will accept that. Even if they don't have options overseas.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I'm guessing the players feel the same way genius... basically what I'm saying is those are likely going to be spots for guys that don't get drafted not picks in the 30s-40s of the second round. Even if they earn the max it is like 275k... not the $1M that second rounders will get in the new CBA. So even if you promise to keep them here for the max time they lose 75% of their salary... only fringe guys like Wallace, Paige, and others will accept that. Even if they don't have options overseas.
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It will basically be guys that Homeytennis knows about.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I'm guessing the players feel the same way genius... basically what I'm saying is those are likely going to be spots for guys that don't get drafted not picks in the 30s-40s of the second round. Even if they earn the max it is like 275k... not the $1M that second rounders will get in the new CBA. So even if you promise to keep them here for the max time they lose 75% of their salary... only fringe guys like Wallace, Paige, and others will accept that. Even if they don't have options overseas.
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You are probably wrong. We will see though.
 
NAOS said:
you are one of my favorite posters, but you have a truly awful way of acknowledging posters who disagree with your perspective. It's right up there with Cy.
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I don't think it was a criticism of my post. Cappy has a sarcastic streak.

My opinion is that the Jazz should try to add a player who can contribute more this offseason than Shelvin Mack. With the cap space they have, I'd claim both Deron Williams and Andrew Bogut. . . cutting Shelvin Mack and Jeff Withey in the process.

Gobert / Bogut
Favors / Diaw / Lyles
Hayward / JJ
JJ / Hood / Burks
Hill / Williams / Exum

Neto and Bolomboy finish the season with the Stars.

I'd do whatever I have to to get Favors, Hood and Hill healthy and rested. Even if it means shutting Favors down until a week before the playoffs and getting Hood and Hill (and probably JJ) extra rest.

I know that Bogut and DWill would contribute more than Withey and Mack. . .

It's a 25 game rental and the playoffs. They're free to leave next offseason.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
You are probably wrong. We will see though.
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Why am I probably wrong do tell? you are probably wrong...

See I can fling poo too.

Look I'm 90% certain we have effed up our cap situation the last two years... I'd love for DL to pull something out of his hat and prove me wrong here because I love the Jazz.
 
akirac73 said:
Dave McMenamin
ESPN Staff Writer


Deron Williams, interestingly enough, is represented by Jeff Schwartz -- the same agent that Kevin Love, Kyle Korver and Richard Jefferson employ. It could take some maneuvering on his part to make sure no other teams put in a waiver bid on Williams if his client's intention is to end up in Cleveland.
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Can Cleveland even sign the guy?

How much was D.Will bought out for? His contract was $9 million and the rumors I see say Dallas is giving him 2.5. Why would Deron oblige Dallas and leave 6.5 on the table if he and his agent don't have an unspoken deal with a team willing to give him at least the remaining 6.5 plus a few valuable years of extension?

Cleveland is over the cap. They cannot pick up Williams on waivers and, as far as I can see, they have no exceptions other than the standard vet minimum.

So, if this buyout rumor is true, nobody picks up the waiver (zero chance of happening IMO), Cleveland cannot sign him if my assumptions are correct post-waiver, then who is the team offering him a better deal to compensate for the 6.5 million he gave up in Dallas?

Houston bros.
 
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