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I really like watching swanigan. He's got a few more pounds to lose but that might be easier than taking the skinny kid and adding weight.

Not sure he's like starter quality... but think he's a third or fourth big in the league.
 
Jazz4ever said:
What are the chances Zach Collins declares? Seems like a semi athletic 7 footer with 3 point potential
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99.95%.. No reason for him to not test the waters with the new rules. He's safely in the top-20 IMO. He's active shows nice skill and footwork, good athlete, competitor. somewhere around 7-foot.. Has some touch and shotblocking instincts.. I refuse to believe there's a long list of NBA teams that will pass on him..
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
50/50

Its a good draft to be a big in, but he could probably raise his stock next year.

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Next year u have the 3 bigs at the top of the draft that are all safe so all the other bigs just fighting for their scraps... time to strike while the irons hot.. Surely he'd be an awesome replacement for Withey.. He doesn't fall to the mid-20's tho no way..

He's already proven to be extremely productive in college albeit in limited minutes off the bench. I'd argue he's proven to be consistent too.

Turns 20 at the start of next season. I really don't see the need for one more year of polish. He's better off getting a head start at the next level of comp IMO.
 
A little off topic but Lonzo Ball blows me away. I think Id take him #1.

I grew up with the Swanigan family in West Valley. Used to hoop with Carl. If you take Caleb, you would have to do some baby sitting imo. Not sure if they still live in Utah but when i knew them, Carl and his crew were a mess.
 
Carbon13 said:
A little off topic but Lonzo Ball blows me away. I think Id take him #1.

I grew up with the Swanigan family in West Valley. Used to hoop with Carl. If you take Caleb, you would have to do some baby sitting imo. Not sure if they still live in Utah but when i knew them, Carl and his crew were a mess.
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Did you have any inclination Carl Sr. could've been smoking crack when you hooped with him? I'm guessing you're not all that familiar with his adoption story? I can give u a quick summary if you'd like.

How big was Sr. back then? It's said when he died(in 2014 from Diabetes complications) he was 500+ lbs (at 6'8")

Caleb might need some babysitting but it's to keep him on a diet.. He's done a fantastic job losing the weight I've heard some execs are worried about him putting it back on at somepoint. Jarred Sullinger type of situation.
 
Carbon13 said:
A little off topic but Lonzo Ball blows me away. I think Id take him #1.

I grew up with the Swanigan family in West Valley. Used to hoop with Carl. If you take Caleb, you would have to do some baby sitting imo. Not sure if they still live in Utah but when i knew them, Carl and his crew were a mess.
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Ball's bball iq reminds me of LeBron. You see it in his passing, defense, moving w/out the ball, timing of his aggressive play, etc. He's my #1 overall as well. Doesnt get enough credit for how explosive athletically he is either. Very fast with the ball and gets on top of the rim.
 
PG_AB said:
Did you have any inclination Carl Sr. could've been smoking crack when you hooped with him? I'm guessing you're not all that familiar with his adoption story? I can give u a quick summary if you'd like.

How big was Sr. back then? It's said when he died(in 2014 from Diabetes complications) he was 500+ lbs (at 6'8")

Caleb might need some babysitting but it's to keep him on a diet.. He's done a fantastic job losing the weight I've heard some execs are worried about him putting it back on at somepoint. Jarred Sullinger type of situation.
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I was talking about Carl Jr. Oh believe me, i have a lot of sympathy for his family, they have not had it easy. Rick Pitino recruited Carl pretty hard while he was at Hunter. It seemed Carl was pulling himself out of his personal hell. I was rooting for him. Then one ill fated night he lost his eye while out with friends. I heard it was a fight. Some one told me he got shot in the face but i dont know the true story.

A lot of Carls friends were mine as well. We all used to hoop at WVC rec together. To be honest, Carl wasnt even the best guy there, but you could see his soft hands and unusual dexterity for 6'8" 300 pound big man. The shooting, the ballhandling, it was all there. But his friends are dodo heads. I still see the snaps they send me. They drink heavily, they goof around, sometimes send me some pretty lewd images. You can look up Carls facebook now and see pictures of weed and liquor everywhere.

I honestly feel sorry for the family. Carl loves his brother. His family never had a fair shake and I wouldnt be surprised if Carl would have made it to the nba in a different setting. That said, reality still exists and if we draft Caleb, I think we would have to make sure hes not distracted, not influenced by poor decision makers.
 
btw I hate the Lamar Odom comp. It's probably just used a lot because theres 30+ mil people in cali. D.J. Wilson of Michigan might actually be fitting of the comp tho... somewhere between him and Derrick Williams, with a mix of rim-protection - he seems to be a better shotblocker than either of them. 4 blks in the last game.

Derrick Williams had a crazy run in the tournament and I sorta see parallels.. It's feasible that Wilson can leapfrog his way into the 1st rd and the Jazz range.

I've said before he's a good match with our group. Certainly he's got balance. He's also a damn good athlete who's explosive..


I kinda feel like were gonna see an Andrew Bogut or Greg Oden style run from Purdue led by Haas and Swanigan.
 
seattlejazzfan said:
Ball's bball iq reminds me of LeBron. You see it in his passing, defense, moving w/out the ball, timing of his aggressive play, etc. He's my #1 overall as well. Doesnt get enough credit for how explosive athletically he is either. Very fast with the ball and gets on top of the rim.
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Yeah it's just so natural for him. I think Fultz is going to be good too, but it doesn't look as easy. He works for his points with counter moves and counters to his counter moves. I love to watch him play but I've been kind of wary of those types of players since Evan Turner and Otto Porter (Both are decent to good players but just not worthy of their draft position).
 
Carbon13 said:
I was talking about Carl Jr. Oh believe me, i have a lot of sympathy for his family, they have not had it easy. Rick Pitino recruited Carl pretty hard while he was at Hunter. It seemed Carl was pulling himself out of his personal hell. I was rooting for him. Then one ill fated night he lost his eye while out with friends. I heard it was a fight. Some one told me he got shot in the face but i dont know the true story.

A lot of Carls friends were mine as well. We all used to hoop at WVC rec together. To be honest, Carl wasnt even the best guy there, but you could see his soft hands and unusual dexterity for 6'8" 300 pound big man. The shooting, the ballhandling, it was all there. But his friends are dodo heads. I still see the snaps they send me. They drink heavily, they goof around, sometimes send me some pretty lewd images. You can look up Carls facebook now and see pictures of weed and liquor everywhere.

I honestly feel sorry for the family. Carl loves his brother. His family never had a fair shake and I wouldnt be surprised if Carl would have made it to the nba in a different setting. That said, reality still exists and if we draft Caleb, I think we would have to make sure hes not distracted, not influenced by poor decision makers.
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LOL ok that makes sense. I was thinking 'this dude might have some sort of legendary story and not even fully know the scope of it'..

Carl would be a reach for Utah.. He's redundant with Lyles. The kid I was just posting about Wilson is a better match. Jonathan Motley makes more sense.
 
Carbon13 said:
Yeah it's just so natural for him. I think Fultz is going to be good too, but it doesn't look as easy. He works for his points with counter moves and counters to his counter moves. I love to watch him play but I've been kind of wary of those types of players since Evan Turner and Otto Porter (Both are decent to good players but just not worthy of their draft position).
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Time has proven u coulda done a whole lot worse that OP jr. at the top of that draft. Evan Turners kinda a different story.
 
PG_AB said:
btw I hate the Lamar Odom comp. It's probably just used a lot because theres 30+ mil people in cali. D.J. Wilson of Michigan might actually be fitting of the comp tho... somewhere between him and Derrick Williams, with a mix of rim-protection - he seems to be a better shotblocker than either of them. 4 blks in the last game.

Derrick Williams had a crazy run in the tournament and I sorta see parallels.. It's feasible that Wilson can leapfrog his way into the 1st rd and the Jazz range.

I've said before he's a good match with our group. Certainly he's got balance. He's also a damn good athlete who's explosive..

I kinda feel like were gonna see an Andrew Bogut or Greg Oden style run from Purdue led by Haas and Swanigan.
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Bogut only went to the sweet 16.
 
Carbon13 said:
Yeah it's just so natural for him. I think Fultz is going to be good too, but it doesn't look as easy. He works for his points with counter moves and counters to his counter moves. I love to watch him play but I've been kind of wary of those types of players since Evan Turner and Otto Porter (Both are decent to good players but just not worthy of their draft position).
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So who was the obvious pick instead of Porter in that draft?
 
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