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seattlejazzfan said:
He's not my first choice, I'd be good with that. Better than Lyles.
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Meh, is he? He is playing with a Point God.

Maybe it's not fair, but I just discount him a ton because he plays with the best playmaker in college basketball on the most offensively talented team in college basketball.
 
I'm looking at last year's draft results and DL seemed to have been right - not many guys chosen at 12 or later made a solid impact this season (there were only a few).

It's going to be interesting to learn how many guys (who are available when we draft) are DL-certified in this much-deeper draft.
 
kabenac said:
I'm looking at last year's draft results and DL seemed to have been right - not many guys chosen at 12 or later made a solid impact this season (there were only a few).

It's going to be interesting to learn how many guys (who are available when we draft) are DL-certified in this much-deeper draft.
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Yeah and the Jazz don't have anybody who contributes that was drafted after 12, so there's that.
 
kabenac said:
I'm looking at last year's draft results and DL seemed to have been right - not many guys chosen at 12 or later made a solid impact this season (there were only a few).

It's going to be interesting to learn how many guys (who are available when we draft) are DL-certified in this much-deeper draft.
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Draft picks aren't to be judged on a one year outlook unless the player is like 25.. It's easy to say that now with Hill the rental here running the show but if Hill walks and then many of those players start to show improvement, people around here will be whistling a different tune.

There's a decent sized list of players drafted 12 and later that have shown promise and flashes this year.
 
PG_AB said:
Draft picks aren't to be judged on a one year outlook unless the player is like 25.. It's easy to say that now with Hill the rental here running the show but if Hill walks and then many of those players start to show improvement, people around here will be whistling a different tune.

There's a decent sized list of players drafted 12 and later that have shown promise and flashes this year.
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Not that many. There are a handful of obvious choices but most from 12 on have been underwhelming. And hindsight is 20/20, of course. Also, we had few open roster spots and a need for a solid PG and I'm glad we took a chance on Hill. He had a good contract and was a good fit in our system and it was time to finally be a competitive playoff-caliber team. Even if Hill walks I'm fine with the trade.

My point is simply that DL made the right move and I am wondering which, if any, players he likes will be available when we draft. If not, he'll likely do the same again, though since this is a better, much deeper draft, perhaps he won't. I know you understood my statement but I think a few posters misread my statement and/or failed to interpret it correctly.
 
PG_AB said:
I think ultimately my post above is 100% correct and I'd love to see any attempt at a refutation. I contend that greed and consumerism affect on the sport has directly retarded the overall level of basketball world-wide.. As much as the game is spreading it's doing so in a very commercialized way.

I'm steadfast in the belief that we'll see the younger players continue to get bigger, faster stronger for many years to come.. I'm not sure if it will ever slow down TBH, because in many ways growth is being monopolized and sandbagged. Maybe in 150 years when the league is filled with Asian 7-footers that have 40" verticals and advanced training techniques worldwide are widespread, then there will be a lull...

The TV people are one of the biggest contributors, instead of really deconstructing the game and the plays, illustrating whats going on, and pro drills or just tips and tricks at how to do things. they're worried about the broadcast having mass appeal and putting like some celebrity on the camera 5x a game. I'm not saying it needs to be some intensive learning experience, but over the course of 82 games a player like Harpring can impart a lot of knowledge that goes unsaid, so he can instead repeat himself. Great concessions are made for little things that help people not turn the tv off, thats what TV is about.

Not gonna do a long rant but there's a reason why talented players with parents who are privy to advanced training techniques are much more likely to be pro's or even div1 players. There's also players like KD for example who have personal trainers at a very young age..

Rudy's father was a basketball player.. who knows what type of knowledge he imparted to him, certainly some excellent genetics.. there's something to be said for 'pedigree' tho.. ofc there's always outliers (Glen Rice Jr.)

This story of the Ball's is an absurd, extreme, glaring example of what I'm talking about..

conversely there's stories of players like Charles Bassey (or Embiid, Giannis) who grew up in soccer countries, some never picked up a basketball til their late years, some didn't have a legit pair or shoes..

My contention is as the playing field evens the overall quality of play will skyrocket. Kinda why I'm certain the annals of history will ust show that Hayward is a very good player, not a great one.

As much as players have improved, thru my research I'm not quite sure if there was ever a more talented player than the #1 pick in the 1959 draft Wilt Chamberlain. I think he's the only player I'd take over LeBron in the big redraft of players (going into their rookie years). Rudy's pretty much dominating the league right now and he only possesses a fraction of the talent of Wilt. He's of course an outlier tho........ I think were gonna see some insane 7-footer thats hands-down the best player in the league before I die.. /endrant
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I bust your balls, and it's generally deserved, but you crushed this post. Very well stated.
 
Isaiah Hartenstein seems like a near perfect match to be developed for the Wolves between Wiggins and KAT.. Him and Karl both kinda tweener 4/5's but they'd be great compliments to each other.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7vq5bNLaFo
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I meant in the fact that Rabb was a projected lottery pick and now he is getting projected in the 20's because he stayed a year.
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Yeah but the big difference is; Rabb waited for a ridiculously strong draft.. His explanation was about his growth and development had nothing to do with $$$ and the draft... and it's gonna cost him..

Williams on the otherhand is a better prospect and he's going into a weaker draft.. Top-5 is much more likely.

Williams is about a half a year older in their Fr. seasons too.. It just doesn't matter tho..

DX has him 5th in 2018 over Wendell Carter!!!!!!! thats really all u need to know.. They've also moved Luka Doncic to #1..
 
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