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The idea that they don't already know what my tax money is going to is laughable. You're making this sound more difficult than it is.

As for the rest, I didn't specify any department for a reason. Monitor it all. If we're paying $100 for a metal chair, etc, cut that **** out.
 
JustTheTip said:
The idea that they don't already know what my tax money is going to is laughable. You're making this sound more difficult than it is.

As for the rest, I didn't specify any department for a reason. Monitor it all. If we're paying $100 for a metal chair, etc, cut that **** out.
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I don't think that you are "paying" anything. Net you probably get way more from government than you pay for. Most of us do.
 
babe said:
Just gotta say this.

I don't care what you think is "moral". Socialists are all sociopaths hell-bent on imposing their "religion" on everyone else, you make the SNL "church lady" skits look like freaking Mother Theresa, when you're idolizing Hillary and Obama and being all sanctimonious accusing Donald of every imaginable offense.

oughtta get off the john and leave the world alone.
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gawd damm socialist always want other to pay their fair share!.

its his money he should do with it as he pleases. if he uses the roads, he should pay road tax. if he does not use healthcare he should not pay healthcare tax.
he uses the judicial system he should pa tax.

he should not pay tax that these socialist get free stuff
 
babe said:
I've been working on a case to challenge Mark Levin on his radio show.

Mark has been on a rant about Trump's tariff talk, likening it to Smoot-Hawley in Hoover days. Free Trade!!!!

When our founders faced the issue of how to support the small idea government they were really afraid to turn loose on the world, for fear it would become what it is today, they were still smarting from British taxes and tariffs, and anti-smuggling laws that essentially meant colonists had to buy from the British Far East Trading Company, or go without. They rejected the notion of "income tax" and put it down that the fed money would come from tariffs. Levin thinks that's stupid.

Actually, "income tax" levied by the federal government is a tariff on domestic labor and domestic production. It is an abhorrent idea. Looking in our taxpayers guide published by the IRS today, they reject outright all the ideas anyone has come up with to challenge their taxes, and have levied a $5000 fine on anyone who dares whisper the words.

Seen as a tariff on domestic production/labor, it is clear that "Free Trade" with foreign nations can never be "Fair Trade". We've already shot ourselves in the foot, maybe in the head, too. Sure there are governments with higher tariffs on their production, like European nations generally. But combined with all the costs on payroll, all the costs of regulations, environmental and labor compliance, etc etc etc, it is not "fair trade" if we impose tariffs upon our own goods at the point of production, and give international corporations incentives for starting businesses overseas as well.

sure we have notions about people who play by the rules, like Mitt and Green, to avoid taxes using special little deals congress has given special interests. I don't agree it's immoral for people to play by the rules. What is immoral is the income tax.

Sure we could do a national sales tax, just have the States collect it as they do sales taxes now, or a flat tax, but a tariff would really be a good way to retire the income tax. Consumers pay all the taxes, and the consumer would have a fair idea of what he's paying every day, as he goes about his life. It would eliminate the fantasy that government can just print money without inflationary effects on prices, or that people don't pay for everything.
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I don't give a **** cause I ain't dumb enough to pay income tax. Have not filed a tax return in 2 decades.

But hell yeah tax everything at the border an ports 50% an oil 100%. We do not need all this cheap plastic crap fillin up are landfills an people thinking they can make the air stink with there 25,000 miles per year or these jackasses driving the biggest truck they can afford an putting those stupid exhaust stacks in the bed an burning rich to blow as much smoke as possible.
 
Stoked said:
Not in my experience. Those I talk to openly admit that there is huge waste in the military, especially the R&D arms. They often talk about how an "increase' would simply be from leaving military budget levels as is but eliminating waste and duplication.

Next big thing I hear about is foreign aid.
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And so, I ask, where is the hue and cry within the Right for cutting military spending due to its large waste?

Where is the clamoring for holding military spending to the same standards of efficiency and effectiveness that are applied to other non-military programs (and partiuclarly those the Right loves to hate--e.g., arts, foreign aid--although typically NOT to Israel)?

I repeat a position I've consistently made, anyone who proclaims him/herself to be a budget warrior (with corresponding concern for the budget deficit and national debt) but who then exempts military spending from the dicussion should not be taken seriously.
 
jimmy eat jazz said:
And so, I ask, where is the hue and cry within the Right for cutting military spending due to its large waste?

Where is the clamoring for holding military spending to the same standards of efficiency and effectiveness that are applied to other non-military programs (and partiuclarly those the Right loves to hate--e.g., arts, foreign aid--although typically NOT to Israel)?

I repeat a position I've consistently made, anyone who proclaims him/herself to be a budget warrior (with corresponding concern for the budget deficit and national debt) but who then exempts military spending from the dicussion should not be taken seriously.
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By saying the "right" are you talking the GOP or anyone with conservative views? Two very different things. In the GOP I doubt you'll find what you're looking for.
 
Stoked said:
By saying the "right" are you talking the GOP or anyone with conservative views? Two very different things. In the GOP I doubt you'll find what you're looking for.
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By 'right' I mean ideological conservatives, who not coincidentally identify overwhelmingly with the GOP. There are moderates within the GOP ranks, but they've influence on what's happening within the party does not appear quite so robust these days.We all can see plainly who is driving the GOP bus in recent years.
 
jimmy eat jazz said:
By 'right' I mean ideological conservatives, who not coincidentally identify overwhelmingly with the GOP. There are moderates within the GOP ranks, but they've influence on what's happening within the party does not appear quite so robust these days.We all can see plainly who is driving the GOP bus in recent years.
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Then I fully agree the right (GOP) is not talking about the need for the military to clean up its waste.

I do not support the increase to the militaries budget (I'd rather see increases in education, VA, medical research...) but I also don't think we need to reduce their budget. What needs to happen, IMO, is they need to clean up the waste in their current budget. Focus on what is really needed and what isn't.

For example, stop funding into research on "pain beams". What a waste.
 
"left" and "right" is fairy tale stuff. European way of dividing and conquering, pitting people one against another. Doesn't have any reality in America under the ideological construct of limited government and actual human rights.

I'm a democrat, a sort of socialist who believes people should actually control their government, not their British puppet masters.

you read, in "progressive" agenda pushing sources, a false ideological construct where the method is to pit people with some interest in good government against a sort of dependent liege class of cattle corralled and castrated by their master government controllers, mesmerized by propaganda media owned by a few elites, who call all the shots in government. Yes, that is what the US Democratic Party is today, since the Clintons sold it out to Wall Street, and a large share of the cooperative RINO Republicans who are equally disingenuous about their beliefs in US Constitutional concepts and rule of law. The clear intent of the "mainstream", so claimed, the media and "liberal" dreamers, is to bypass the US Constitution in every way possible as necessary to deny citizens their actual innate rights, and manage everything according to the ideals of the intellectual elitists.

Would be damn funny that you sincerely believe you have a better way, if you were not right now ruining the world for everyone.
 
Old line LDS leaders, circa about 1890, believed that the United States would waste its strength on useless foreign wars, and then be overrun by people from other countries wanting to seize the wealth of the citizenry.

In 1898, the fake news media made up an outrage about the "sinking of the Maine", a US ship in Spanish waters, and stirred up public outrage to support an American imperialist war, where we took Cuba and the Philippines from Spain. We were essentially joining the British in Imperialism as a sort of crony exploiter of other nations.

Since then we've been conned into fighting Britain's wars all over the world, while they, the smart puppeteers, sit in the shade and sip their tea.

talk about useless foreign wars. The UN is virtually the modern form of the British Empire, all so cleverly manipulated with crony elitists from all over the world inducted to serve 'Er Majesty, the Queen'. The ideals embraced and pushed worldwide are all made in the UK. The little wars we run all serve to fill our industrial military elites' orderbooks, at very nice prices.

Trump started out thinking he could cut waste in military contracts, and that is why the media dogs and dems are being encouraged to break him. Either he will go along with the elites' sacred government cash cow programs, or else he's a "Russian" agent.

Obama and Hillary are solid Brit stooges. For a few weeks, Trump tried to be an independent American. And look what happened.
 
NAOS said:
What do Conservatives conserve? They conserve power. Military spending is, thus, a special category amongst expenditures for them.
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The little old ladies who talk about obeying the laws and the Constitution today have no power. The MIC/cartelist elites finance both R and D parties to work the ropes on the ordinary people. Those elites are socialists who have conned the system. They don't care about people, they use people. They make up political parties and political issues to exclude outsiders or independents from actual power.

super wealthy people who claim to be "liberals" are only using the rhetoric for their own gain.
 
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