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Donald takes a dump and accuses President Obama of wiretapping him

DutchJazzer said:
also to your hacking hogwash. and the leadership of the left!

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just get pover it. hillary is a crook and she sucked. THERE is NO russian hacks.


hillary rigged the democratic primaries. now the left is crying wolf that russia rigged the general!


go complain about her rigging the primaries
 
DutchJazzer said:
lol, russia did not hack! that is stupidity! by saying russia hacked you are diminishing all those people who voted for trump! the russia hack is FAKE NEWS! their is 0 evidence!!!!!!!!!!! yet youd emand trump produce evidence for the wiretap! why not apply that same standard for the russian hack


how about the fbi saying they have had donald trump under investigation since july!

soo how does fbi investigate! most of those investigations are done by surveilance. aka wiretaps.

so they only said no physical wiretaps. but this is the 21st centruy! physical wiretaps are so 20th century! now the wiretaps dont need to be physical
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I'll just let the stupidity of this post stand on its own.
 
The Thriller said:
I'll just let this post stand on its own, because I can't remember yesterday's news.
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fixed.

So anyone who knows anything about the HSA and the little computer facility at Bluffdale understands the capacity of that data collection to be searched, and terrorists can be identified by a few key words...
anybody's phone calls, email, online searches or comments on any site including JFC not just twitter or facebook.... is all available to government officials with particular jobs or clearances.... Of course Donald is right, he's subject to all that surveillance.... that's part of the reason, when in office, officials are supposed to use secure communications, and not just do government business over private servers like Hillary did.

You just can't have everybody looking in on classified communications even HSA terrorist monitors.

Now, with the Flynn news, our MSM folks have to misdirect peoples' attention from their sources. Their sources were US employees in our intelligence agencies who broke the law, committed felonies, in divulging information legally deemed private and for security use only.

If you don't care about our own laws on privacy, when a Democratic administration deliberately abused them, why should you care about anyone else breaking into private information on the webz?

You are soooo unbalanced in your concerns I wonder if you can get up the stairs to get the breakfast your mom fixes for you....

A few months ago, it was all good that Hillary helped the Russians buy American nuclear resources. A few years ago it was all good that Bill and Hillary let the Chinese borrow our space and military technology for their own use, after paying a nice fee for sleeping in the Lincoln bedroom.

Now that you're afraid of what Trump might do, you've forgotten that US foreign policy and military activities have been available to the Russians through the UN since the Russians were given a spot on the UN Security Council before the outbreak of the Korean War. That's supposed to be all good because we're on the same Team Global.

Hilarious.... Dems calling people stupid who can remember what happened yesterday. And wanting to fine people in dementia who forget to vote!!!!!

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/po...n-vote-pay-10-proposed-bill-article-1.3001499
 
The Thriller said:
I'll just let the stupidity of this post stand on its own.
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@thriller
more truth will come out

Trump feels 'somewhat' vindicated after Nunes intel briefing
WASHINGTON (AP) — Communications of Donald Trump's transition officials — possibly including the incoming president himself — may have been scooped up in legal surveillance but then improperly distributed throughout the intelligence community, the chairman of the House intelligence committee said Wednesday.

In an extraordinary set of statements to reporters, Republican Rep. Devin Nunes said the intercepted communications do not appear to be related to the ongoing FBI investigation into Trump associates' contacts with Russia or any criminal warrants.

Nunes, who served on Trump's transition team, said he believes the intelligence collections were done legally but that identities of Trump officials and the content of their communications may have been inappropriately disseminated in intelligence reports.

"What I've read bothers me, and I think it should bother the president himself and his team," Nunes said Wednesday after briefing Trump privately at the White House.

Nunes briefed reporters before sharing the information with Rep. Adam Schiff, the top Democrat on the House intelligence committee. Schiff decried Nunes' handling of the matter, saying the chairman had created "profound doubt" about the credibility of their committee's investigation.

The disclosures came two days after FBI Director James Comey publicly confirmed the investigation into the Trump campaign's connections with Russia and rejected Trump's explosive claims that President Barack Obama wiretapped his New York skyscraper during the election. Comey's comments came in the House intelligence committee's first public hearing on Russia's election interference, an investigation being overseen by Nunes.

Nunes said the new information did not change his assessment that the wiretapping allegations were false. Still, the president said he felt "somewhat" vindicated by the Republican's revelations.

"I very much appreciated the fact that they found what they found," Trump said.

It was unclear whether Trump's own communications were monitored. Nunes initially said "yes" when asked if Trump was among those swept up in the intelligence monitoring, but then said it was only "possible" that the president's communications were picked up.

Nunes said the information on the Trump team was collected in November, December and January, the period after the election when Trump was holding calls with foreign leaders, interviewing potential Cabinet secretaries and beginning to sketch out administration policy. Nunes said the monitored material was "widely disseminated" in intelligence reports.

Asked whether he believed the transition team had been spied on, Nunes said: "It all depends on one's definition of spying."

U.S. intelligence agencies routinely monitor the communications of foreign officials. That surveillance sometimes includes the names of Americans that the foreigner is speaking to or about. When this happens, intelligence analysts are obliged to hide or "minimize" the name of the American, unless knowing that name is necessary to understanding the foreign intelligence described in the report.

Nunes said the names of Trump associates were "unmasked" after the incidental collection, though he did not identify those names. They are believed to include Michael Flynn, who was fired as White House national security adviser after misleading Vice President Mike Pence and other top officials about his contacts with Russia's ambassador to the United States.

Schiff disputed that there was improper "unmasking." He said that after speaking with Nunes, it appeared that the names of Americans were still guarded in the intercepts, but their identities could be gleaned from the materials.

Nunes would not say how he had received the new information.

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AP writer Eileen Sullivan, Eric Tucker and Josh Lederman contributed to this report.
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So it's not fake news this time because you like what it says?
 
DutchJazzer said:
@thriller
more truth will come out

Trump feels 'somewhat' vindicated after Nunes intel briefing
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Again. Your stupidity is on full display.

The very article you quote says that Donald's wiretapping claim is false. But that intelligence may have dirt on Donald when they began to investigate suspicious communications of foreigners (one could speculate, Russian) with the then president elect. In other words, this does zero to back up Donald's claim that Obamacare wiretapped his phones. But increases suspicions that Donald had improper communications with Russians.
 
I like what Rep Schiff told Chuck Todd today much better, lol. Video clip at link:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...more-than-circumstantial-evidence-now/520509/

A surprised Todd asked Schiff to concede that any suggestion of collusion was circumstantial evidence at best.

“Actually, no, Chuck,” Schiff said. “I can tell you that the case is more than that. And I can't go into the particulars, but there is more than circumstantial evidence now … I will say that there is evidence that is not circumstantial, and is very much worthy of investigation.”
 
The Thriller said:
Again. Your stupidity is on full display.

The very article you quote says that Donald's wiretapping claim is false. But that intelligence may have dirt on Donald when they began to investigate suspicious communications of foreigners (one could speculate, Russian) with the then president elect. In other words, this does zero to back up Donald's claim that Obamacare wiretapped his phones. But increases suspicions that Donald had improper communications with Russians.
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Actually, the communications of a foreign national being listened to does not have to necessarily be suspicious. Indeed, according to Nunes, this case of "incidental collection" did not involve Russia. At the same time, we can't expect Dutchjazzer to go into any depth with his analysis. That will never happen.

I indicated in the "Is Russia helping Trump?" thread last summer that Manafort was the guy to watch in all this. And that will turn out to be the case. That is why Spicer stupidly stated in his presser on Monday that Manafort "played a limited role", and "for a limited time". Spicer destroyed any remaing credibility he had left with that foolish statement. Trying to distance Trump from Manafort. Manafort is the key, and it's likely some of the non-circumstantial evidence will be found in his baggage.
 
It's likely, I surmise, that what Nunes did today, in providing cover for Trump, is because Nunes knows as well as Schiff, that the evidence of collusion is now more then circumstantial. It's likely they've seen the same evidence. The GOP doesn't want to go there. And that's an easy call I should think. I'll bet that's why he ran to Trump, and that's why he did something that jeopardizes the continued independence of the House Intelligence Committee's investigation. Because he has seen the same evidence that Schiff referenced in his comments to Todd. You heard it here first:-)
 
Hell's Bells

Nobody has explained how the Flynn information was obtained yet. As Mark Levin explained it, it had to be an inside leak in our intelligence service, someone on the payroll, committing a felony.

He then detailed how Obama himself ordered changes in his last days in office, removing security provisions covering American citizen communications allowing them to be indiscriminately passed around to thousands of intel employees.

It will be a huge task now to find that criminal in our government service, but we can thank Obama for it all, and give him all the credit. He did it on purpose.

Well, the Media will have a long march to get around these facts and their complicity in the "Shake and Break Trump" news. I suspect that some are already seeking cover....

Here's Politico's report:

"Nunes suggested this unmasking might have been done for political reasons, saying the evidence he had seen had been widely disseminated across the intelligence community and had "little or no apparent intelligence value." He added that he was trying to get more information by Friday from the FBI, CIA and NSA."

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/devin-nunes-donald-trump-surveillance-obama-236366

Obama's moves in unsecuring our privacy were intended to cover his direct involvement. Of course, I'm no intel hack, but Obama isn't stupid, either. He doesn't do anything without a purpose. Mark Levin figured it out, and since then no one has proven anything he said wrong.
 
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What Obama Did

Here is what Obama did, just days before leaving office, after Trump had been "data-mined":

"With mere days left before President-elect Donald Trump takes the White House, President Barack Obama’s administration just finalized rules to make it easier for the nation’s intelligence agencies to share unfiltered information about innocent people.
New rules*issued by the Obama administration under Executive Order 12333 will let the NSA—which collects information under that authority with little oversight, transparency, or concern for privacy—share the raw streams of communications it intercepts directly with agencies including the FBI, the DEA, and the Department of Homeland Security, according to a*report*today by the New York Times."

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2017/01/15/obama-expands-surveillance-powers-his-way-out

He gave thousands of low-lying intel personnel access to the information, even while he was planning and organizing active resistance to the Trump Presidency.

Here's Order 12333:

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3283349-Raw-12333-surveillance-sharing-guidelines.html


And just a couple of weeks later, some of that "raw data" was published in the NY Times:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/09/...-sanctions-before-trump-took-office.html?_r=0

"The accounts of the conversations raise the prospect that Mr. Flynn violated a law against private citizens’ engaging in diplomacy, and directly contradict statements made by Trump advisers. They have said that Mr. Flynn spoke to Mr. Kislyak a few days after Christmas merely to arrange a phone call between President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia and Mr. Trump after the inauguration.
But current and former American officials said that conversation — which took place the day before the Obama administration imposed sanctions on Russia over accusations that it used cyberattacks to help sway the election in Mr. Trump’s favor — ranged far beyond the logistics of a post-inauguration phone call. And they said it was only one in a series of contacts between the two men that began before the election and also included talk of cooperating in the fight against the Islamic State, along with other issues."
 
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So, anyway, it was an "open secret" that Trump wanted to improve relations with Russia and many other countries to conclude the war with ISIS.

And the phone calls "data-mined" occurred before Trump and his people were in office. So they were "private citizens", otherwise they would have been using secured official government communication lines, which are not "data-mined".

And the Times originally claimed it's sources were current and/or former US government officials, who do fall under the law regarding demasking and releasing US citizen's communications. And these sources committed felony release of that information.

Next, these criminals will do the same to you.

Still, Trumps blitzkrieg of action before in office might not have really been a good idea, for sure. For the same reasons: He did not have secure communication lines.
 
babe said:
fixed.

So anyone who knows anything about the HSA and the little computer facility at Bluffdale understands the capacity of that data collection to be searched, and terrorists can be identified by a few key words...
anybody's phone calls, email, online searches or comments on any site including JFC not just twitter or facebook.... is all available to government officials with particular jobs or clearances.... Of course Donald is right, he's subject to all that surveillance.... that's part of the reason, when in office, officials are supposed to use secure communications, and not just do government business over private servers like Hillary did.

You just can't have everybody looking in on classified communications even HSA terrorist monitors.

Now, with the Flynn news, our MSM folks have to misdirect peoples' attention from their sources. Their sources were US employees in our intelligence agencies who broke the law, committed felonies, in divulging information legally deemed private and for security use only.

If you don't care about our own laws on privacy, when a Democratic administration deliberately abused them, why should you care about anyone else breaking into private information on the webz?

You are soooo unbalanced in your concerns I wonder if you can get up the stairs to get the breakfast your mom fixes for you....

A few months ago, it was all good that Hillary helped the Russians buy American nuclear resources. A few years ago it was all good that Bill and Hillary let the Chinese borrow our space and military technology for their own use, after paying a nice fee for sleeping in the Lincoln bedroom.

Now that you're afraid of what Trump might do, you've forgotten that US foreign policy and military activities have been available to the Russians through the UN since the Russians were given a spot on the UN Security Council before the outbreak of the Korean War. That's supposed to be all good because we're on the same Team Global.

Hilarious.... Dems calling people stupid who can remember what happened yesterday. And wanting to fine people in dementia who forget to vote!!!!!

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/po...n-vote-pay-10-proposed-bill-article-1.3001499
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HILARIOUS! You accusing me of having a short memory? That's rich. Considering how it was just a few years ago that repubs were bitching about parts of the Patriot Act expiring which prevented the government from spying on people. Remember? Short memory Babe? That's ok.

The Internet tears through poor memories and alt facts.

Open wide and enjoy:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/republicans-torch-rand-paul-over-surveillance-lapse/
 
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