The Thriller
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Unbelievable. Here it is March 2017 and repubs are still whining about Obama. Folks, he's not president, get over it! The right's unhealthy fetish with Obama just continues and continues and continues.
Donald takes a dump and accuses President Obama of wiretapping him
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Unbelievable. Here it is March 2017 and repubs are still whining about Obama. Folks, he's not president, get over it! The right's unhealthy fetish with Obama just continues and continues and continues.
short memory? two posts above I confessed that I'm a fake R. I've always made it a point to protest the "Patriot Act". I've complained about it as conflicting with Constitutional rights people should have, and as a necessary cover for Big Brother statism.
Thriller, it's better for you to go with the poor memory charge than come out with stupid lies about others/
As things stand, I recognize you are a fully-involved hack for some sort of paid agenda organization trying to make the world better through more government. OK, so maybe it's the NEA. . . . but, still. . . . .
You're so in the tank for anything against Trump it's useless to discuss facts. You might have memory loss, but it could be willful denial. Like Siro's laughable theory of bias confirmation being the reason scientists studied earth/sun orbital disturbances and found some correlations with climate.
Prove you're not a hack, and present some other information and admit there might be reasons a lot of Americans are Republican, for example, other than intolerable stupidity.
Obama went nowhere. He's kept a DC home and made it a base for political "community organization", and has got funding for running a TrumpBuster movement. You probably know that as well as Red does, but you probably won't admit it.
Obama and others of the extreme "Democratic" altparty, are devotees of Bill Ayers political methodologies. Following a terrorist mentor, and sitting the "God Damn America" Chicago Church Obama attended for years, goes well with his pretended Marxist beliefs garnered from his communist parents. A lot of people want to make America unexceptional, and hate Trump's campaign header "Make America Great Again" as a sort of political blasphemy.
It looks to me that the Dem party has taken on the mission of deconstructing American constitutional government to make way for unfettered elitist nobility, using the false flag of utopian ideology made in Britain.
Kinda cute, though, how the revolutionist advocates of medieval society and government talk like they're the "progressives".
The Thriller
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Nonsense. You deplorables finding ways to attack obama and defend trump When it's obvious Trump colluded with Russia to win the election. And trump? Is a complete hack. Every time he's pressed he whines about it on twitter.
You defending his nonsense is utterly deplorable.
Stop deflecting. You know I destroyed your NSA argument. Just admit it. remember to swallow your pride. It might be hard at first.
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The Thriller
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What the **** are you even talking about?
I think your weird paranoid websites have rotted out what little brain you had.
The Thriller
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I know Dut and babe will probably spin this. Go ahead babe, blame obama or gubbamint schools or benghaziiii!!!
But for the rest of you:
https://www.cnn.com/2017/03/22/poli...may-have-coordinated-with-russians/index.html
But for the rest of you:
https://www.cnn.com/2017/03/22/poli...may-have-coordinated-with-russians/index.html
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Red
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Yeah, I just posted a longer extract of this report, and deleted it when I realized you had already provided the link. This is likely the intelligence that Rep Schiff was referencing in his comments to Chuck Todd Wed. afternoon. It's almost comical listening to the Trump supporters flipping out over Rep. Nunes "revelations", which amount to nothing at all. They have absolutely nothing to do with Trump's fake claim that Obama wiretapped him, but right wing outlets are running with it as if it actually did. McCain is calling for an independent investigation outside Congress. I don't know if that will ever happen, but I am absolutely confident the truth will out. There is every reason for Sean Spicer to be trying to put a distance between Trump and Manafort, using asinine claims naturally("he played a very limited role", lol), and that reason is likely because the noose is tightening around Manafort, among others perhaps....
Red
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Trump supporters can spin it any way they want. And Trump supporters can run with any diversion they want. And Trump can tweet any conspiracy-tinged nonsense he wants. The truth will out. And that truth is going to include the fact that associates of the Trump campaign coordinated with the Russians on the release of info that would damage Clinton.
Again, I pointed out last Summer that the only change the Trump team made to the GOP platform was language favorable to Putin where the Ukraine was concerned. Was this the trade? Russia gets a surrogate, Wikileaks, to release the DNC files in return for the Ukraine clause? That would be a no brainer good deal for Trump. And Putin hated Clinton, so in his interest as well. I do believe Manafort will be at the center of this suspected coordination....
A closer look at Paul Manafort reveals a man who seems much more a Russian at heart then a citizen of the United States:
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/...-plan-to-greatly-benefit-the-putin-government
Again, I pointed out last Summer that the only change the Trump team made to the GOP platform was language favorable to Putin where the Ukraine was concerned. Was this the trade? Russia gets a surrogate, Wikileaks, to release the DNC files in return for the Ukraine clause? That would be a no brainer good deal for Trump. And Putin hated Clinton, so in his interest as well. I do believe Manafort will be at the center of this suspected coordination....
A closer look at Paul Manafort reveals a man who seems much more a Russian at heart then a citizen of the United States:
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/...-plan-to-greatly-benefit-the-putin-government
Red
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This is what the Obama administration did before leaving office. Members of the cult of Donald Trump can condemn Obama until they are blue in the face. In the final analysis, History will judge Obama favorably for having done this. And we should thank him for this, not condemn him. Those who do condemn will be seen to have been on the wrong side of history. That's their problem as far as I am concerned.
The reason History will judge Obama's actions favorably is because, when all is said and done, with regards to the ongoing investigation into Russian meddling in our sovereignty as a nation, it will be demonstrated that Trump associates committed treason during the 2016 Presidential election. That is where we are going. It may very well take years before this investigation reaches the finish line, but what I am describing is the direction in which we are heading.
And, rather then accuse Obama of illegal shenanigans, I thank him for making sure evidence was not destroyed, and for helping ensure that our intelligence agencies had the bread crumbs trail they needed to follow the clues to the truth. Members of the Cult of Trump are on the wrong side of History. Too bad, I do not feel sorry for them in the least.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/01/us/politics/obama-trump-russia-election-hacking.html?_r=0
The reason History will judge Obama's actions favorably is because, when all is said and done, with regards to the ongoing investigation into Russian meddling in our sovereignty as a nation, it will be demonstrated that Trump associates committed treason during the 2016 Presidential election. That is where we are going. It may very well take years before this investigation reaches the finish line, but what I am describing is the direction in which we are heading.
And, rather then accuse Obama of illegal shenanigans, I thank him for making sure evidence was not destroyed, and for helping ensure that our intelligence agencies had the bread crumbs trail they needed to follow the clues to the truth. Members of the Cult of Trump are on the wrong side of History. Too bad, I do not feel sorry for them in the least.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/01/us/politics/obama-trump-russia-election-hacking.html?_r=0
Yes, Red, no doubt.
you have no problem with Obama's illegal use of his office so long as it fundamentally transforms America from a Constitutional Republic where American citizens can chose their President and other government officials into the hell-hole cult of Progress you prefer.
Looks to me, same as it was six months ago in fact, that the Democratic Party has "jumped the shark". It was hardly even debatable after the surprised Dems of Clinton were regrouping after their loss, even after the exposures from within the DNC itself.... whistleblowers for Bernie... all fired. And Bernie himself totally caved to the Clintonistas. The Democratic Party regrouped with the most extreme elements in charge.
But what Obama has done has surprised me. Sure, I knew he is a sociopath with an immense personal agenda and the ego to match. He played Pres to the Wall Street music pretty good, but all throughout his Presidency he acted like a street community organizer on an agenda to foment racial division, did nothing "inclusive" in reality.
Reads pretty much like the end times of LDS prophesies (not officially recognized today by the "mainstream" WCC-member progressive official church). That civil society in the United States would be purposefully broken down to bring civil war once again to the United States of America.
Red's already in the trenches, and dedicated to the new revolution, claiming that he loves peace but not understanding the mob he's following.
Red invokes the myth of some "History" that he believes somehow moves forward to some kind of vindicating progress that everyone will somehow know is "Right" when they see it, or read about it later....
Karl Marx invoked the same kind of Hegelian dialectic that he believed would inexorably move mankind into the glorious future, to the "peace" of no human rights vouchsafed by no US Constitutional principles.
We've seen a bit of that "peace" in Pol Pot's purges, in Stalin's purges, in Mao's purges.
Taking down the protections against mass murdering political crusaders in this country is a murderous offense to civil society.
I have no respect for the Clintons, the Obamas, or even the Rockefellers and other already powerful "elites" who chaff at the concept of limited Government and actual human rights. I'm for the US Constitutional precepts once set up in this country, and I'm for keeping them.
I have no respect for the wholly -owned and lying media that is complicit with the takedown of America.
Trump might not understand the whole situation, that's for sure. He might not be able to deal with his enemies effectively. But most Americans don't want to be ruled by a dictatorship of a cult of ideologically perverse minions of elitism.
There is no idyllic glorious future at the other end of the Progressive rainbow. Believers in that ideology are playing into the hands of a future government that people cannot vote out, cannot replace, and cannot live with. No human rights, no peace, just in essence a return to the European realities after the demise of the Roman Empire..... For survival, people allied themselves, or virtually sold themselves to petty Lords with little stone Castles to survive the roaming marauders.
Without a strong government based on law, and limited from abusing the people effectively by an instrument supported by the people, like the US Constitution, we are left to our own devices.
The dream of a "New World Order" run beneficially and effectively by elite management set in place by a little club of elite financial geniuses like Bill Gates, David Rockefeller, George Soros, and Warren Buffet, is actually a fascist world government that will not survive the in-fighting of the managers.....
Taking down national governments and local governments is like a hobo drinking methanol for his fix, or some potent mind-altering drug like heroin. Sure the fix feels good for a while......
Our US founders knew that a limited Constitutional Republic would have enemies in the inevitable corrupt interests that always seek their own power, and they knew it would have to be defended in the trenches by people who care for civil society and human rights and human liberty. It would be better if we could keep it with votes. But the present attack on Trump is an attack on elective government in toto.
People who are drawn into this attack and who tolerate it, are the deceived if not the deceivers of our time.
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Jonah
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The purple political prose in this thread, and really any Trump related thread on JazzFanz, is comically over the top. The unreflective projection and hysterical labels (liar, dunce, fascist, sociopath) for anyone that strays from the reactionary right into establishment or progressive territory is absurd theater worthy of Ionesco. What a refreshing change of pace it would be to hear from an actual conservative on the state of Trump’s America. Instead, all we get are sycophants and pseudo-theorists repeating the same record over and over.
DutchJazzer
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WHO THE F is this guy?!
Jonah
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One sure sign you’ve become a reactionary and left conservative values behind is continually harping against mainstream media sources like The New York Times and The Washington Post while promoting conspiracy and propaganda purveyors like Infowars and Breitbart News.
The Times and the Post have not changed in the nearly fifty years since the Pentagon Papers and Watergate scandal in the early 1970s showcased their value as checks against governmental misconduct. They are still the same pillars of a free press essential to our democracy, still double and triple source their news stories, and can still be relied upon to factually and accurately report the news. It’s also true their editorial opinions have not changed much in fifty years. The Times still represents the establishment from a neoliberal perspective while the Post is liberal on domestic issues and neocon on foreign policy.
What has changed is the reactionaries themselves. Now too partisan and full of themselves to bother to differentiate between the editorial and news pages of the mainstream press they gravitate instead to propaganda sites no rational person sees as objective and that serve only to confirm their fragile bias.
The Times and the Post have not changed in the nearly fifty years since the Pentagon Papers and Watergate scandal in the early 1970s showcased their value as checks against governmental misconduct. They are still the same pillars of a free press essential to our democracy, still double and triple source their news stories, and can still be relied upon to factually and accurately report the news. It’s also true their editorial opinions have not changed much in fifty years. The Times still represents the establishment from a neoliberal perspective while the Post is liberal on domestic issues and neocon on foreign policy.
What has changed is the reactionaries themselves. Now too partisan and full of themselves to bother to differentiate between the editorial and news pages of the mainstream press they gravitate instead to propaganda sites no rational person sees as objective and that serve only to confirm their fragile bias.
Mainstream media hasn't changed much from the yellow journalism of the nineteenth century. Still owned by interested manipulators of politics worldwide. Carefully targets the audience for intentional political effect. Carefully protects "The Right People". Somebody like Nixon can lose favor by failing to do "The Right Things".
MSM holds office under the false claim of being an independent free press and claims to be mentioned in the US Constitution while functioning as a Priesthood for the cult religion of national fascism.
Jonah denies the plain meaning of words like fascism. A real Spaniard should recognize the Latin roots as meaning "connections". Oxford school of economic and political cartoon concepts, drawn in stick-figure intellectual caricature, wrongly labels Hitler a fascist. Mussolini was a fascist, but not Hitler. Fascism is a sort of government with a soft dictatorship sharing power among a circle of officials and industrialists or other financial interests. A David Rockefeller sitting atop pharmaceutical, oil, and medical cartels working wonderful lines of influence with essentially bribed politicians is a sign of fascism. Owning the media and running it for his own purposes.... Most of the big talking heads, and high-level managers of the US MSM are members of the CFR, a Rockefeller-funded and directed "club" of elites, who meet to hear specially-selected speakers ostensibly representing diverse political and world views, including communists and Jonah's brand of "conservatives" who basically flatter one another and faintly smile at the intended sophisticated manipulation and intellectual massage they receive.
political efforts of all kinds have pretty much moved past the elemental images invoked by the likes of Jonah.
I don't think Trump is a conservative at all. Trump is a patsy who chased the dissatisfied American vote, and got it. That vote included a lot of blue-collar democrats, and people concerned with costly healthcare and reckless immigration policies. A lot of them were not political ideologues of any kind, and most basically didn't believe the sort of "news" Jonah is committed to.
No one really likes arrogant intellectuals explaining the world in their own terminologies and applying rhetoric directing them how to interpret the world or what they should think.
Purple prose indeed.
Jonah is wrong. (Andrew Wilkow is right, lol)
MSM holds office under the false claim of being an independent free press and claims to be mentioned in the US Constitution while functioning as a Priesthood for the cult religion of national fascism.
Jonah denies the plain meaning of words like fascism. A real Spaniard should recognize the Latin roots as meaning "connections". Oxford school of economic and political cartoon concepts, drawn in stick-figure intellectual caricature, wrongly labels Hitler a fascist. Mussolini was a fascist, but not Hitler. Fascism is a sort of government with a soft dictatorship sharing power among a circle of officials and industrialists or other financial interests. A David Rockefeller sitting atop pharmaceutical, oil, and medical cartels working wonderful lines of influence with essentially bribed politicians is a sign of fascism. Owning the media and running it for his own purposes.... Most of the big talking heads, and high-level managers of the US MSM are members of the CFR, a Rockefeller-funded and directed "club" of elites, who meet to hear specially-selected speakers ostensibly representing diverse political and world views, including communists and Jonah's brand of "conservatives" who basically flatter one another and faintly smile at the intended sophisticated manipulation and intellectual massage they receive.
political efforts of all kinds have pretty much moved past the elemental images invoked by the likes of Jonah.
I don't think Trump is a conservative at all. Trump is a patsy who chased the dissatisfied American vote, and got it. That vote included a lot of blue-collar democrats, and people concerned with costly healthcare and reckless immigration policies. A lot of them were not political ideologues of any kind, and most basically didn't believe the sort of "news" Jonah is committed to.
No one really likes arrogant intellectuals explaining the world in their own terminologies and applying rhetoric directing them how to interpret the world or what they should think.
Purple prose indeed.
Jonah is wrong. (Andrew Wilkow is right, lol)
here's a fun site that allows people to make up their own definitions for "Fascism", it includes statements from Mussolini and Hitler a small piece down in the list.
People can make up words, and give them their own meanings, in this world as well as in this site.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fascism
My own use of the terms references the Latin word, commonly used in Medical schools and in the treatises on anatomy. The Latin word means "connections". tissues that bind and confine muscles and organs in living things. Effective political "connections" are the essence of "Fascism".
If you believe in human rights such as equal protection under the law, or in democratic elections for directing your government, you might resent to some degree the inordinate influence of political activists seeking to transform the nation, or corporate interest, or influential or affluent individuals with money to buy votes from legislators elbowing you outta the room.
Trump has a non-zero "Fascist Index" because he is himself wealthy enough to have his own political interests, and he has some wealthy backers. But in campaigning he took the stage rhetorically seeking the support of largely disenfranchised and disregarded voters who were just dissatisfied with the way things have been going.
But his fascist index is miniscule compared to a Hillary Clinton with all the money pouring into her Clinton Foundation in the expectation of favors from the State Department or the future President, or a Barack Obama raking in payola from a George Soros.
People can make up words, and give them their own meanings, in this world as well as in this site.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fascism
My own use of the terms references the Latin word, commonly used in Medical schools and in the treatises on anatomy. The Latin word means "connections". tissues that bind and confine muscles and organs in living things. Effective political "connections" are the essence of "Fascism".
If you believe in human rights such as equal protection under the law, or in democratic elections for directing your government, you might resent to some degree the inordinate influence of political activists seeking to transform the nation, or corporate interest, or influential or affluent individuals with money to buy votes from legislators elbowing you outta the room.
Trump has a non-zero "Fascist Index" because he is himself wealthy enough to have his own political interests, and he has some wealthy backers. But in campaigning he took the stage rhetorically seeking the support of largely disenfranchised and disregarded voters who were just dissatisfied with the way things have been going.
But his fascist index is miniscule compared to a Hillary Clinton with all the money pouring into her Clinton Foundation in the expectation of favors from the State Department or the future President, or a Barack Obama raking in payola from a George Soros.
Wow. Just. Wow. The Times interview transcript.
https://time.com/4710456/donald-trump-time-interview-truth-falsehood/
https://time.com/4710456/donald-trump-time-interview-truth-falsehood/
Red
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Looks like Nunes dialed his claims back a bit...
https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-pol-russia-investigation-20170324-story.html
The head of the House Intelligence Committee partially backed away from his dramatic claim that officials in President Trump’s transition team had been subjects of surveillance by U.S. intelligence agencies, with an aide saying that Chairman Devin Nunes did not know “for sure.”
On Wednesday, Nunes (R-Tulare) said that names of transition team members had come up in conversations that were referred to in U.S. intelligence documents summarizing surveillance. But until Nunes sees the actual documents, he does not know whether any of the transition officials were actually part of the surveilled conversations or were just talked about by others, spokesman Jack Langer said Thursday.
“He’ll have to get all the documents he requested from the [intelligence community] about this before he knows for sure,” Langer said.
The partial walkback of Nunes’ claim came as lawmakers stepped up calls for an independent investigation of possible links between Donald Trump’s campaign and Russia. Nunes’ decision to brief Trump about the surveillance claims before sharing them with other members of his committee put the House investigation under a cloud, say Democrats and some Republicans.
https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-pol-russia-investigation-20170324-story.html
The head of the House Intelligence Committee partially backed away from his dramatic claim that officials in President Trump’s transition team had been subjects of surveillance by U.S. intelligence agencies, with an aide saying that Chairman Devin Nunes did not know “for sure.”
On Wednesday, Nunes (R-Tulare) said that names of transition team members had come up in conversations that were referred to in U.S. intelligence documents summarizing surveillance. But until Nunes sees the actual documents, he does not know whether any of the transition officials were actually part of the surveilled conversations or were just talked about by others, spokesman Jack Langer said Thursday.
“He’ll have to get all the documents he requested from the [intelligence community] about this before he knows for sure,” Langer said.
The partial walkback of Nunes’ claim came as lawmakers stepped up calls for an independent investigation of possible links between Donald Trump’s campaign and Russia. Nunes’ decision to brief Trump about the surveillance claims before sharing them with other members of his committee put the House investigation under a cloud, say Democrats and some Republicans.
Red
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'Hey look, in the mean time, I guess, I can't be doing so badly, because I'm president, and you're not. You know,' Trump told Time's Washington bureau chief Michael Scherer. 'Say hello to everybody OK?'
To win is to be right, always.