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Trumpcare makes things worse

Well the vote got postponed because they do not have the votes. That's a PR blunder.

This bill is really showing the division within the Rs.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/03/23/politics/house-health-care-vote/

One of the things hardline Rs want is removal of mandatory coverage for maternity care, substance abuse and mental health services. That is scaring away moderates.

That looks pretty damning to the Rs.
 
Stoked said:
Well the vote got postponed because they do not have the votes. That's a PR blunder.

This bill is really showing the division within of the rinos and the conservatives/libertarians.

https://www.cnn.com/2017/03/23/politics/house-health-care-vote/

One of the things hardline Rs want is removal of mandatory coverage for maternity care, substance abuse and mental health services. That is scaring away moderates.

That looks pretty damning to the Rs.
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Libertarianism is not a continuation of conservatism.
 
DutchJazzer said:
well we might disagree.

the constitution is based on the principle of small government and liberty!

libertarianism is about liberty and small gov
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Conservatism isn't about either of those things. Republicans pay lip service to them to get the Libertarian vote but the core of their party is still conservatives who truthfully don't give a **** about that. They want the government involved in a woman's healthcare, they want a military that is beyond any rational need, they want their Medicaid and their social security check, most of all they want a country that they think existed 50 years ago. Libertarians want none of those things. In many ways Libertarians are closer to liberals than they are conservatives. The joke's on the Libertarians forever trying to work with the conservatives in the first place. They would have been much better off trying to work with the Liberals and maybe have an influence on their economic policy making.
 
ONE LOVE said:
I don't get how we in NZ and Aus get free healthcare but Americans have to pay an arm and a leg for health insurance every month?
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Don't kid yourself. Nothing's free.
 
DutchJazzer said:
well we might disagree.

the constitution is based on the principle of small government and liberty!

libertarianism is about liberty and small gov
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And Conservatism is not. It's about control and big government where it best suits them.

Edit: Alt beat me to it.
 
Hahahaha, this is getting to good to look away from.

The President has issued an ultimatum to the House Rs. Pass the AHA (ACA replacement bill) now, they vote today, or never. If it does not pass the ACA will stay and he will move onto something else. It looks unlikely to pass as the hardline Rs have indicated they will not vote for it over required insurance coverage for things like maternity leave and mental health services.

So it will likely be the hardline Rs, the most vocal and determined ACA foes, that ultimately save Obamacare.

Ha!

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Then you turn around and see Gorsuch winning the senate hearings and looking like a shoe in for the S.C. Schumer in turn takes the hardest stance he can and likely ensures a the "nuclear options" is used to approve Gorsuch. Thereby laying the ground work for a very possible 2nd nomination later on by the President. One that could tilt the S.C. to the right for decades.

What a train wreck D.C. is lol
 
Trumpcare fails, smothered by repubs in its own baby bathtub.

But that's ok. "Donald left everything on the field."

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Hahahaha! I'm sure those being priced out of insurance will feel Spicer's words comforting. At least Donald tried!

Where does the GOP go from here? Where does Donald go from here? His presidency seems to be completely impotent.
 
Trump tried to be a moderate, to make a deal that gave a little to all sides. From his early campaign he said stuff like Obamacare can be managed better if he's in charge, later his rhetoric went to repeal because that's where the votes were for him.

moderate republicans caving to the dems is historical pattern. But to get elected the Rs have to go begging for votes either right or left.

Trump will have to go back to the republicans who vote the line they talk. But until he dumps McCain, Ryan, McConnell, or until the voters dump the RINO patsies, there really is no "Republican" Party at all.

People talk about Trump being some kind of dictator, then gloat when he tries to be nice, saying the conservatives are dead. Obamacare is failing. However, it allows for groups like healthshare.... essentially cooperatives.... which will be the real wave of the future. NOBODY will stay in Obamacare except real welfare dependents.

The dems are hoping Obamacare fails and they can get single payer. Voters have rejected Obamacare, will reject singlepayer, will keep voting for their healthcare rights. American public rejects the left. Only Politicians still try to fit the old line agenda. Politicians with no real future......
 
Trump should bring in Ron Paul as special adviser and let him and his son design it. Ron Paul actually practiced medicine before medicare and he said the poor were better taken of back then!! It was called charity, docs did the work for free at the end of the day. Nowadays, that's illegal! Snakes have infiltrated everything especially financial, no one understand it better than Ron Paul. He's an economic genius to boot.
 
Did trump even try?

Lol it seems to me like he knew this had zero chance of passing and so he left the house GOP to eat each other. Like trump's presidency, He promised bright and shiny things to get elected and backs it up with zero substance.
 
I find it disturbing how many people are rooting for our president to fail and how they feel safe to gloat when it goes that way. That is basically hoping America fails. I definitely don't agree with the crap he's trying so far but I hope he finds a way to succeed and have a successful presidency.
 
LogGrad98 said:
I find it disturbing how many people are rooting for our president to fail and how they feel safe to gloat when it goes that way. That is basically hoping America fails. I definitely don't agree with the crap he's trying so far but I hope he finds a way to succeed and have a successful presidency.
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I think that's kind of a strange way of looking at it. Many think the president's agenda will be harmful to this country. Of course they don't want him to succeed in that endeavor.
 
LogGrad98 said:
I find it disturbing how many people are rooting for our president to fail and how they feel safe to gloat when it goes that way. That is basically hoping America fails. I definitely don't agree with the crap he's trying so far but I hope he finds a way to succeed and have a successful presidency.
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Define successful president. How much does that actually line up with a successful America?
The way that I read history there are a lot of people worth rooting for and it is rarely the president.
 
LogGrad98 said:
I find it disturbing how many people are rooting for our president to fail and how they feel safe to gloat when it goes that way. That is basically hoping America fails. I definitely don't agree with the crap he's trying so far but I hope he finds a way to succeed and have a successful presidency.
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I find it strange that people who would lose coverage under trump's plan should cheer for trump to succeed at taking away their health care. How does that make any sense?

I think you paint way too broad of a brush. Many conservatives wanted Trumpcare to fail because it would've meant skyrocketing premiums, reduced coverage, and pain for poor and sick people.
 
The Thriller said:
I find it strange that people who would lose coverage under trump's plan should cheer for trump to succeed at taking away their health care. How does that make any sense?

I think you paint way too broad of a brush. Many conservatives wanted Trumpcare to fail because it would've meant skyrocketing premiums, reduced coverage, and pain for poor and sick people.
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I said the president! Not any one policy. There were lots of policies of Obama's I disagreed with but in the whole I hoped he would be a successful president. Same with Trump. I just see so many people going FAR beyond disagreement with individual policies and hoping that the entire presidency is a failure which is just pitiful imo. We should all be hoping he finds some common ground and gets some things done that make sense for the country as a whole. A president viewed by and large as a failure really represents all of us losing. Schadenfreude is almost always destructive.
 
Zombie said:
I think that's kind of a strange way of looking at it. Many think the president's agenda will be harmful to this country. Of course they don't want him to succeed in that endeavor.
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People think that if pretty much every president. But I have rarely seen this level of pure joy expressed at a presidents failures. I don't think we have ever been more divided as a country and it's not the presidents fault. He is really just a symptom.
 
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