US Kills 100 innocent Civilians

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So I don't think WE went to war with Iraq. The US government did. It was not an execution of the will of the people, their values, or their interests. The military is just a tool of the oligarchs, who are above accountability or reproach, even when their actions lead to the suffering of millions of people, and to a major security crisis worldwide. It amazes me that the American people, who are victims in this, continue to defend the actions and "intentions" of the oligarchs.

This isn't on the military. It's on the plutocracy.

PS. Saddam, as a horrible a sociopath as he was, did not kill nearly as many people as the Iraq war.

I agree with you.

Because I took part I suppose I react with a certain level of subconscious defensiveness and a desire to justify my role, maybe even a desire to take pride in my role. Not to make it out like I had any significant role. I didn't. I mostly just hung out and played cards.

 

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OK. Your post laid it all on a lie from the CIA director. It's just not that simple. Bullet was about 90% right, except about the bluff. Saddam was a reckless nutjob who scared even his Russian allies, who reconsidered their material support. The "lie" was actually truth, but it became an inconvenient truth after the Russians got their stuff out. Anyhow, it was a useful lie for those who wanted the war.

It was a reasonable belief based on the trust we place in our leaders, a particularly necessary virtue we need our military personnel to have. We need it so bad, we should actually just act on truth, not on geopolitical agendas made up by sociopathic monsters who think they're our managers/owners. Like David Rockefeller.

No. It was the justification for the war that the US officially offered in front of the UN. It isn't just something some talking head on nut job radio said.

I called it a lie not because it was inaccurate but because it turned out not to have been the findings of intelligence analysts. The bush administration altered the intelligence reports when they weren't happy with the original findings. IIRC Frontline covered this subject quite thoroughly in the mid 00's.

 

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No. It was the justification for the war that the US officially offered in front of the UN. It isn't just something some talking head on nut job radio said. I called it a lie not because it was inaccurate but because it turned out not to have been the findings of intelligence analysts. The bush administration altered the intelligence reports when they weren't happy with the original findings. IIRC Frontline covered this subject quite thoroughly in the mid 00's.

This sounds like something reasonable, and based perhaps on more than my own limited understanding. Thanks for sharing. I'll look into it some more.

 

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I feel that I must also point out that there was an active genocide happening in Sudan at that time.

 

[babe]

I feel that I must also point out that there was an active genocide happening in Sudan at that time.

but virtually NO oil......

 

[Revolution 9]

You wont see any "pro life" people crying about this on your facebook feed.

 

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You wont see any "pro life" people crying about this on your facebook feed.

Comments like this are foolish.

You will once you stop trying to pin people into a specific box based on their stance on one issue. World isn't that neat and clean.

 

[Revolution 9]

Comments like this are foolish.

You will once you stop trying to pin people into a specific box based on their stance on one issue. World isn't that neat and clean.

Personal experience. My "pro life" friends fit into a pretty neat black and white box. My argument is valid. If you are going to whine and cry about the murder of any innocent fetus then why doesnt carpet bombing the enemy knowing woman and children will be blown to shreds bother you?

 

[Stoked]

Personal experience. My "pro life" friends fit into a pretty neat black and white box. My argument is valid. If you are going to whine and cry about the murder of any innocent fetus then why doesnt carpet bombing the enemy knowing woman and children will be blown to shreds bother you?

I know plenty that it does, unfortunately I know plenty that it doesn't and plenty more that are all for it. I strongly disagree with your "neat little black and white boxes" premise. I just don't see people or the world that way.

But that's OK. We don't need to agree lol.

 

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I agree life overall is very grey. On this issue I have to say personally all of my pro-life friends are pretty black or white. I respect that others may have different experiences. Thats why we share them.

Im sure you know "pro life" people who are hunters, pro-war, ok with carpet bombing/nukes, etc.

I dont know one person that makes anti-abortion statements, and makes a point to call themselves "pro life" who has ever posted or mentioned the killing of kids of middle east, talked about the travesty of nuking the Japanese, etc. I'm sure they exists I just have never come across someone like that.

 

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It's a terrible thing.

First I want to say, I don't believe the U.S. takes civilian deaths lightly. I think they do everything possible to avoid them. Sometimes, in a war zone, with active fighting, such things are unavoidable, especially when the enemy takes no action to protect the civilians in their occupied area and makes no effort to separate themselves from civilians.

That said, the families of those civilians killed almost certainly will have deep and strongly held animosity to the U.S.. The families of those killed will be our future enemies. Not because they hate freedom, but because they see us as the destroyers of their world.

honestly, yikes.

 

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Much better off I'm sure.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Anfal_campaign

Saddam's atroxities were enabled by the US and UK, you realize this yes?

 

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How about when the CIA takes out democratically elected governments they don't like, creating chaos on an entire continent for decades? Or when they finance and arm terror groups until they become a force to be reckoned with? How about when they invade stable countries, unleashing the terrorists they enabled on the rest of the world? You should write the millions of people living in terror through the US government's direct (e.g. massive classified drone assassination programs), or indirect (supporting the Israeli apartheid), actions about our most pure of intentions. It'll be a comfort as we blow them to bits.

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