President Assad gasses and Donald fiddles

[The Thriller]

That airbase is being used to attack ISIS-- ISIS just launched an attack near the airbase in response to it.

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Syria is an extremely complex situation-- but if regime change is our goal, we already have evidence from three previous involvements in terms of what the outcomes were.

Bingo.

Russia has now promised to double down its support of Assad. We can expect more Russian warships in the Med, the skies to be crowded with Russian jets, and more anti-air defenses. This has a Serbia 1914 feel to it. Most on this board won't get that reference.

Good thing we have a calm cool president in the White House...

 

[JimLes]

uh maybe it has something to do with the idea that chemical weapons cause excruciating suffering and drawn out deaths compared to getting blown to bits instantaneously. In theory, i don't know if that is true or not.

What difference does it make, even if they do? If you die, you die. It doesn't matter if you suffered or not, you're still dead.

 

[Siro]

What difference does it make, even if they do? If you die, you die. It doesn't matter if you suffered or not, you're still dead.

Ah no. The suffering is the more important part. That's why people prefer free range chickens over torture-chamber chickens.

 

[♪alt13]

Ah no. The suffering is the more important part. That's why people prefer free range chickens over torture-chamber chickens.

I don't feel bad for chickens. Like never. Srsly the phrase "torture chamber chickens" is just beyond me. Maybe I'm a heartless chicken hating sociopath.

 

[fishonjazz]

I feel bad for thriller. I can't imagine what it would be like to be that tied into a dogma, of any kind. It is actually one of the things that keeps me from being a staunch mormon. I have a very hard time with such rigid, original-thought stifling, philosophical positions whether from religion or politics.

Good post.

Dutch = thriller when it comes to politics and thriller = dutch.

Don't be thriller or dutch.

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[fishonjazz]

What difference does it make, even if they do? If you die, you die. It doesn't matter if you suffered or not, you're still dead.

If I could pick then I would die quickly and with less pain than slowly with lots more pain. That's just me though.

 

[babe]

If I could pick then I would die quickly and with less pain than slowly with lots more pain. That's just me though.

My dad used to say there was a lot to recommend in thermonuclear vaporization. He died after years of medical torture on pain meds. I think the brain will fail to process pain at some point. Like I just zone out some people who annoy me.....

 

[babe]

So, anyway..... Russia is lead by a rational man. No we are not going to take his pocket ally out, or take over his naval base.

He claims we didn't know who did the gas. Lots of bad actors in the neighborhood.

Trump listened to the Brits who egged him on to do it.

My Mideast "authority" Brian Suits on KFI was holding forth that Russia will do the regime change rather than let us do it. He said that the former dentist had a thing about gas, and has employed it actually 138 times. Obama just didn't do anything about it, and the media dogs found other stuff to chew on.

After Russia installs a new leader, our militarists will find whatever available reasons they can imagine to continue taking us down the WWIII road. So from here on, Trump has been co-opted into being another Brit stooge. Damn Brits.

Doesn't matter who we elect, they just end up being stooges for the Brits. WWI, WWII, now WWIII. Doesn't anybody remember the Brits paid both the secessionists and the abolitionists in the run up to our Civil War, or who goaded us on by setting up a "Remember the Maine" war cry, or who we fought in 1812 and 1776? So why do we listen to them? Do they believe in our Constitution? In Human Rights???

 

[DutchJazzer]

Info wars is not journalism don't care. Honestly neither is politifact. I don't know who did it and I haven't seen any evidence. In the absence of evidence those with the strongest motive seem to be the rebels, Isis, or even Turkey. History should give us pause and urge us(the American public) to be skeptical and ask for that evidence.

I think in this instance it is politically convenient for Trump. Dude was having a disaster first 100 days and now he doesn't just get to wag the dog but he gets to look strong where Obama was "weak".

but here is the kicker, he attacked a "chemical plant or storage thingy" with 50 missiles, with 0 casualties according to majority of sources. isn't that acceptable. even if it wasn't a plant it was just an airbase, which is just a warning shot

 

[DutchJazzer]

I'm curious, what did those 59 tomahawks accomplish? Has Assad's army been defeated? Is Russia going to stop supplying him with chemical weapons? Has ISIS stopped its war on Assad? Have the 4.5 million displaced been relieved? Are we taking in refugees now?

I'm curious, what you think we've accomplished and how that leads me to "failing."

Again, I get that repubs have been so embarrassed by Trump that they're eager to call anything at this point a "win." But let's be honest, what has he accomplished? 59 missiles the other night isn't policy nor does it bring us closer to a conclusion.

As much as we don't want to think about it, Assad is our only hope. Toppling him right now could bring instability to Jordan, Turkey, and Israel.

atleast it gave trump some respect. world leaders praised him, even that old haggety national sozialismus chancelor of germany Angela merkel

 

[DutchJazzer]

Bingo.

Russia has now promised to double down its support of Assad. We can expect more Russian warships in the Med, the skies to be crowded with Russian jets, and more anti-air defenses. This has a Serbia 1914 feel to it. Most on this board won't get that reference.

Good thing we have a calm cool president in the White House...

first you criticize him for fiddling, now you criticize him for taking action.

tell me what do you want him to do

 

[The Thriller]

Looking more and more lik Russia knew about bombing then tried to cover up the evidence why bombing a hospital that was treating some of those exposed to the chemicals.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/20...g-russias-role-in-syria-chemical-attacks.html

 

[Siro]

I don't feel bad for chickens. Like never. Srsly the phrase "torture chamber chickens" is just beyond me. Maybe I'm a heartless chicken hating sociopath.

How come? They're living beings that can suffer. Why would you not care if they do?

 

[Eminence]

How come? They're living beings that can suffer. Why would you not care if they do?

Haven't met them.

 

[JimLes]

Ah no. The suffering is the more important part.

You're killing people one way or another. Why is it more moral to kill them quickly?

Close to half a million people have been killed in this conflict. Not sure how many by Assad, but you have to assume a decent chunk. Why was it okay to kill them with conventional weapons, but if they suffer slightly more, it's not okay? I'm trying to understand where this sudden pretend outrage is coming from.

 

[♪alt13]

How come? They're living beings that can suffer. Why would you not care if they do?

Like I said maybe I'm a heartless chicken hating sociopath. I really don't care what happens to chickens. Maybe I should be more enlightened and extend my morals to include chickens but I won't. I don't care about chicken suffering.

When I see images and video of giant factory farms full of chickens I see cheap protein that makes the lives of poor people better. If you can raise chickens just as cheap but in better conditions that's a good thing but mostly due to the end product being better for people. **** fighting doesn't bother me(though I know it's supposed to) neither does bull fighting. I think it's weird when people say their pets are their kids and try to convince you that there is an equivalence. I think its weird and kinda weak when adults cry when their pets die. I currently have a cat that I take care of and I enjoy its company but I don't love it. It's my pet it's not part of my family. When it dies I may get a new one if it suits me.

 

[Siro]

Like I said maybe I'm a heartless chicken hating sociopath. I really don't care what happens to chickens. Maybe I should be more enlightened and extend my morals to include chickens but I won't. I don't care about chicken suffering.

When I see images and video of giant factory farms full of chickens I see cheap protein that makes the lives of poor people better. If you can raise chickens just as cheap but in better conditions that's a good thing but mostly due to the end product being better for people. **** fighting doesn't bother me(though I know it's supposed to) neither does bull fighting. I think it's weird when people say their pets are their kids and try to convince you that there is an equivalence. I think its weird and kinda weak when adults cry when their pets die. I currently have a cat that I take care of and I enjoy its company but I don't love it. It's my pet it's not part of my family. When it dies I may get a new one if it suits me.

Why do you care about kids or the poor then? What is your criteria for caring about an animal?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

You're killing people one way or another. Why is it more moral to kill them quickly?

Close to half a million people have been killed in this conflict. Not sure how many by Assad, but you have to assume a decent chunk. Why was it okay to kill them with conventional weapons, but if they suffer slightly more, it's not okay? I'm trying to understand where this sudden pretend outrage is coming from.

Outrage? I think it's just people having empathy for a way someone dies. Would you rather die quickly and painlessly or slowly and painfully over an extended period of time? If you really wouldn't care either way, then props to you, you are a tough dude.

 

[Siro]

You're killing people one way or another. Why is it more moral to kill them quickly?

Close to half a million people have been killed in this conflict. Not sure how many by Assad, but you have to assume a decent chunk. Why was it okay to kill them with conventional weapons, but if they suffer slightly more, it's not okay? I'm trying to understand where this sudden pretend outrage is coming from.

I'm not saying it's okay to kill them quickly. But surely suffering makes it worse. Most people would say that torturing someone before executing them is worse than simply executing them, regardless of where they stand on the death penalty.

 

[JazzGal]

You're killing people one way or another. Why is it more moral to kill them quickly?

Close to half a million people have been killed in this conflict. Not sure how many by Assad, but you have to assume a decent chunk. Why was it okay to kill them with conventional weapons, but if they suffer slightly more, it's not okay? I'm trying to understand where this sudden pretend outrage is coming from.

I've been wondering the same thing. It was the pictures that got people. Trump changed his mind on a dime because of the pictures. Apparently suffering isn't real if we can't see it.

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