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Bulletproof said:
This feels like trying to explain to a space alien that doesn't eat food or have taste buds why I like my steak medium rare. His question always comes back to why I want that when I can better meet my nutritional needs with an injection of specially formulated human nuti-pack.
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It's not a lot different than trying to explain any preference. Everyone likes different things. I said you brought up some very good points.
 
My opinion.

The liquor laws aren't all that burdensome.
It's a nuisance that one is not permitted to stop and have a beer on way home from work without ordering food (when you're going home to grill steaks), but meh.

It's really just fun to point out how ridiculously dumb the laws are.

I can order a full-strength micro but not a full strength Budweiser.
I can't order a single 3.2 beer without ordering food, but I can order chips and salsa... and multiple shots of tequila.
I can slam a shot of tequila but I am not allowed to witness the bartender pouring it.

See? Isn't that fun?
 
LogGrad98 said:
As an admitted non-drinker, I am still a bit flabbergasted that people get so worked up that it is mildly harder in Utah than elsewhere to get ****-faced. Is it really that big a deal? I mean, can you not, albeit with a few hoops, get enough booze to drink yourself literally to death pretty much whenever you want? This is one thing that, of course as a non-drinker, I never understood. I have had friends go on whole rants about the unbelievably strict alcohol laws in Utah and how it shows that Utah is nothing but a theocracy, yet they say nothing about complete "dry" areas in other parts of the country. I find it very weird.
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I agree with you. I don't mind the utah alcohol laws.
 
Ron Mexico said:
The laws do not prevent anyone from getting **** faced they make it harder to enjoy certain aspects of drinking. I know some people drink just to get **** faced but most do not. Most drink because they enjoy the drinks and the social aspect with them. Laws like only allowing 4% beer on tap prevent good beers that I like to drink from being on tap (which I like the taste of more) from being served in Utah. Small very spread out liquor stores with limited hours make it so it is a nightmare to go to the liquor store. Parking is awful, the lines are long and options tend to be limited. I can still get drunk but I think most people understand the frustration of jumping through hoops, dealing with excessive waits and lines, and having limited options of something you want. Liquor stores in Utah are very profitable yet they keep trying to make them more sparse and limit their hours more. Many good beers are higher than 4% so if you want that you have to endure the awful liquor stores just to buy beer that is warm. Beer sitting warm for long periods of time lowers its taste. Its also a pain to have to plan ahead if I want to have cold beers. Things like the zion curtain force business to waste money and look silly to out of state people. It hurts and limits their ability to make profits. There are lots of other frustrations with the laws but for me none of those are about not being able to get drunk. One of the main problems is that most of the people making laws about booze it Utah have never drank them and do not understand the culture.
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Good post.
Lots of good points in there.
 
♪alt13 said:
Agreed

If you are a non drinker you should at least consider how the laws impact our culinary options. Relaxing these silly laws will mean more restaurants. It would be good for customers, good for businesses, and good for our workforce.

Also starting to repair our reputation as weird would be great for tourism.
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Another really good post.

I now hate the liquor laws.
 
♪alt13 said:
Agreed

If you are a non drinker you should at least consider how the laws impact our culinary options. Relaxing these silly laws will mean more restaurants. It would be good for customers, good for businesses, and good for our workforce.

Also starting to repair our reputation as weird would be great for tourism.
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Haven't they gotten rid of the "membership" charge for bar/club entrance? That was the "weird" thing I always heard about from out-of-staters.
 
NAOS said:
Haven't they gotten rid of the "membership" charge for bar/club entrance? That was the "weird" thing I always heard about from out-of-staters.
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They have gotten rid of that. When Huntsman was gov we were making some progress. With Herbert we are backsliding.
 
NAOS said:
Haven't they gotten rid of the "membership" charge for bar/club entrance? That was the "weird" thing I always heard about from out-of-staters.
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Off the top of my head

New .05 blood alcohol limit
Heavily restrict the number of liquor licenses
Zion Curtain(7 foot wall separating where drinks are mixed in a restaurant)
A restaurant liquor license means that someone has to order food to get a drink
If I want to order a drink for me and my wife or a pitcher of beer then I have to take her to the bar with me
Brew vies lost its license for showing the infamous porn Deadpool(license was restored)
A proper long Island ice tea is among many cocktails that is illegal to make
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♪alt13 said:
Off the top of my head

New .05 blood alcohol limit
Heavily restrict the number of liquor licenses
Zion Curtain(7 foot wall separating where drinks are mixed in a restaurant)
A restaurant liquor license means that someone has to order food to get a drink
If I want to order a drink for me and my wife or a pitcher of beer then I have to take her to the bar with me
Brew vies lost its license for showing the infamous porn Deadpool(license was restored)
A proper long Island ice tea is among many cocktails that is illegal to make
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holy ****
 
NAOS said:
holy ****
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The new Broadway theatre has a bar in the lobby. The lobby being quite tall meant that you could kinda see into the bar from the second level. Long story short they made them put a ceiling over the bar(drink mixing station).
 
♪alt13 said:
The new Broadway theatre has a bar in the lobby. The lobby being quite tall meant that you could kinda see into the bar from the second level. Long story short they made them put a ceiling over the bar(drink mixing station).
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-6AuuT8AGo
 
♪alt13 said:
Off the top of my head

New .05 blood alcohol limit
Heavily restrict the number of liquor licenses
Zion Curtain(7 foot wall separating where drinks are mixed in a restaurant)
A restaurant liquor license means that someone has to order food to get a drink
If I want to order a drink for me and my wife or a pitcher of beer then I have to take her to the bar with me
Brew vies lost its license for showing the infamous porn Deadpool(license was restored)
A proper long Island ice tea is among many cocktails that is illegal to make
...
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.05? ****. That's basically drink a beer and you cant drive within 3 hours.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
.05? ****. That's basically drink a beer and you cant drive within 3 hours.
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Nah, they've tested it, for a full grown man you can have two beers (or whatever kind of drinks) with dinner and be below the limit. But as I drive around seeing people texting and driving I think if the DUI limit is 0.05BAC then people on their phones need to go to jail and face over $1000 fines and have to carry SR-22 insurance too, because they are far more dangerous than some at 0.05%BAC.
 
Bulletproof said:
Nah, they've tested it, for a full grown man you can have two beers (or whatever kind of drinks) with dinner and be below the limit. But as I drive around seeing people texting and driving I think if the DUI limit is 0.05BAC then people on their phones need to go to jail and face over $1000 fines and have to carry SR-22 insurance too, because they are far more dangerous than some at 0.05%BAC.
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Yeah, I don't really know much about the new blood alcohol content law affects people, but I remember thinking it was total BS when Jim Dabakis was freaking out saying that people could get a DUI for using mouthwash. I am sure there are some hurdles for the .05 limit, but Driving under the influence is complete bull ****, and needs to be dealt with differently by drinkers than they are doing it. I am certain the majority is super responsible, and does not drive drunk, but I personally know a few people who have, or have had in the past, zero issue with driving while intoxicated.

I don't have a problem with drinking at all, mostly just a problem with people being irresponsible with others lives. That being said, I really should quit looking at my phone at all while driving. It is every bit as bad as DUI.
 
b_line said:
I think wes only ended up going to Canyonlands, and did do a lot of cool stuff down there. He is a good dude.
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sub "Jack Cooley" in for "Canyonlands" and "doing" for "going" and you basically have a homeytennis response to my question.
 
b_line said:
Yeah, I don't really know much about the new blood alcohol content law affects people, but I remember thinking it was total BS when Jim Dabakis was freaking out saying that people could get a DUI for using mouthwash. I am sure there are some hurdles for the .05 limit, but Driving under the influence is complete bull ****, and needs to be dealt with differently by drinkers than they are doing it. I am certain the majority is super responsible, and does not drive drunk, but I personally know a few people who have, or have had in the past, zero issue with driving while intoxicated.

I don't have a problem with drinking at all, mostly just a problem with people being irresponsible with others lives. That being said, I really should quit looking at my phone at all while driving. It is every bit as bad as DUI.
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I think eating pizza or doughnuts gets you up to .04%
 
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