The Official "Stop WWIII" hype train

[Stoked]

If the US "just walked away" from SK then our word and promises would be worth nothing on the global scale. Alliances with NATO, Japan, Philippines, Israel and Australia would disintegrate as well.

This is a perfect way to make America a pariah in the world. A complete foreign policy disaster. It would absolutely lead to world much less safe for America(ns).

Comparing the British/Indian relationship to that of SK/USA is faulty on many levels.

 

[Siro]

It's a dilemma. You don't want to allow a madman to continue to develop delivery capabilities for his nuclear weapons, and war against him would be extremely costly.

The only remaining option might be to assassinate him.

 

[LogGrad98]

We already know he is working on WMDs. As soon as they strike oil in North Korea we will probably invade.

 

[BabyPeterzz]

We already know he is working on WMDs. As soon as they strike oil in North Korea we will probably invade.

https://www.reuters.com/article/northkorea-usa-russia-idUSL4N1HX1SQ

Getting China to move first is exactly what Putin wants, as Russia stands to benefit from Chinese aggression, as it allows them to exclusively negotiate with NK. He now can further align with another nuclear power and further fortifying his boarders.

Oil is the elephant in the room as usual. China is slowly moving off a fossil fuel economy, even further disengaging with Russian interests,. The bedrock of the Russian economy is energy extraction. They're banking heavily on finding oil in NK, as they began getting after it in 2015. Putin sees what energy dependance does for an economy and national security. We're rich, bitch and don't **** with us.

Here's an idea. Wanna crush Russia? Move to a renewable economy and cripple them into the next century.

 

[Boris]

Holy ****!?!?

Fight their own war? You mean, let NK annihilate several million SKers in the first couple days of conflict then march into the scorched earth and claim victory?

We own that mess. That's our ****ing mess.

Since when was building a wall ever good for humanity? The DMZ is a wall. How many people do you think are living without there family just like East West Germany? But why do we care cause they aren't white right? It is a ****ing wall an all you jabbing at [MENTION=970]babe[/MENTION] are just like Turnip supporters wanting to export all the Mexicans.

If the US "just walked away" from SK then our word and promises would be worth nothing on the global scale. Alliances with NATO, Japan, Philippines, Israel and Australia would disintegrate as well.

This is a perfect way to make America a pariah in the world. A complete foreign policy disaster. It would absolutely lead to world much less safe for America(ns).

Comparing the British/Indian relationship to that of SK/USA is faulty on many levels.

Hahaha stupid paranoia. Israel is gonna walk? I mean, like we'd even care cause they know we ain't attacking them an they ain't hitting us. They know we'd always come to peaceful, friendly, democratic country's aid regardless of your precious NATO agreement.

Japan? What are they gonna do with us? Cut off there car dumping industry an put China in check? Detroit says thank you.

****, I swear some of y'all still living in 1802 when the world wanted to fight. Today, all we wanna do is smoke a bowl with each other an chill.

 

[♪alt13]

It's a dilemma. You don't want to allow a madman to continue to develop delivery capabilities for his nuclear weapons, and war against him would be extremely costly.

The only remaining option might be to assassinate him.

I think the scary thing is that these aren't a mere deterrent. NK already has that with the utter destruction it could cause to its neighbors. This is NK trying to free its hands. I think it represents a pretext to the invasion of SK. Kim clearly doesn't value the lives of his people only his regime. I think that if he had the capability to hit cities in America with nukes and his regime was falling he would use them. On the flip side our deterrent isn't credible. If South Korea we're on the verge of being lost to the north we're still not going to Nuke Pyongyang. I think the goal of this is so that Kim can restart a war that he has little fear of losing. At worst he's looking at a stalemate. At best Vietnam.

 

[Siro]

I think the scary thing is that these aren't a mere deterrent. NK already has that with the utter destruction it could cause to its neighbors. This is NK trying to free its hands. I think it represents a pretext to the invasion of SK. Kim clearly doesn't value the lives of his people only his regime. I think that if he had the capability to hit cities in America with nukes and his regime was falling he would use them. On the flip side our deterrent isn't credible. If South Korea we're on the verge of being lost to the north we're still not going to Nuke Pyongyang. I think the goal of this is so that Kim can restart a war that he has little fear of losing. At worst he's looking at a stalemate. At best Vietnam.

So what would happen if the US conspires with China and others to assassinate him, and maybe a couple of his top generals? Would that topple the government and allow reunification with SK?

 

[♪alt13]

So what would happen if the US conspires with China and others to assassinate him, and maybe a couple of his top generals? Would that topple the government and allow reunification with SK?

Assassinate a god? Won't someone else just step in? Someone who is understandably paranoid.

 

[Siro]

Assassinate a god? Won't someone else just step in? Someone who is understandably paranoid.

I don't know. They don't really have mechanisms for transference of power outside of the god-family. I think whoever takes power would very likely be easier to deal with.

 

[babe]

If the US "just walked away" from SK then our word and promises would be worth nothing on the global scale. Alliances with NATO, Japan, Philippines, Israel and Australia would disintegrate as well.

This is a perfect way to make America a pariah in the world. A complete foreign policy disaster. It would absolutely lead to world much less safe for America(ns).

Comparing the British/Indian relationship to that of SK/USA is faulty on many levels.

You misunderstood if you thought I compared the US/SK to the Brit/India. The point of the comment was that Brits.... and the whole anglophile world.... imagine the rest of the world needs our leadership somehow. The UN being as I allege a sort of modern Empire in the hands of the very smart world-class divide-and-conquer.... well.... really "divide and set against and upon one-anther master puppeteer Brit "elites" and their cohorts in the US/WhiteManWorld.

The little LaRouche cult, with strong Frence/Catholic world views oozing out their seams, tries to make the case against Brit/Am hegemony around the world, and Russians and Chinese and Indians and South Americans of various kinds take courage from those views. A lot of rising stars around the world clamoring for their place in the Sun.

Churchill couldn't imagine third-worlders managing themselves beneficially. The US today can't imagine the wsorld without our UN swagger and world cop militarism, not to mention all our darkside, unimaginaginable and unreported "intelligence agency" shenagigans going on everywhere.

Everywhere we have bought-and-paid for "friends", I'm sure if we cut off their funds there would be some kind of a scramble for leadership, for sure. But I could hardly imagine any worse "leaders" coming up on top.....

"alliance with none, commerce with all" would mean every country, whoever is "leading" or whatever their political philosophy, would have good reason to treat us good.

 

[babe]

For the Rubashovs and Bullets, I understand sincere devotion to ideas.... as much as I decry it.... it is human nature and on some level I have my own useless devotions, which I'm sure few in this forum would really doubt.

I think Trump is wrong to go out with a loud voice and a bully club to set the world right. He should stick to business. Isn't there some kind of deal NK would fall for? Pyongyang needs a Trump Tower, doesn't it???

The crazy psychology analysis is the hardest fact of the whole matter, and the thing that needs to go. If the NK had nothing to gain playing in the global sandbox manipulating three superpowers, it would perhaps start making oh I dunno something to sell in those big markets. The cabbage pots that according to M*A*S*H locals buried everywhere could be dug up and made into the basis for a fast food chain, donchathink.

Of course I think the Brits want Kim stirring their pot. Somebody go watch the movie "Eagle in a Cage", the truest depiction of Brit foreign policy I've ever seen.

Starting wars between other countries saying "As long as it isn't British blood being spilled"... or really.... as long as it keeps Brits from facing real competition.....

 

[Boris]

You know how I know the Brits are silently controlling the world behind the scenes? Queen worship.

Think about it nobody in America gives two ****s about the queen of England, Canada an Australia. In fact, most of us would like to see the royal inbreds all fall off a cliff. They deserve it for killing JFK.

So why does are No News Media cover every think they can on the queen when nobody gives a rats *** anyway? Cause they are tools of the Brits an the NWO.

 

[franklin]

https://www.reuters.com/article/northkorea-usa-russia-idUSL4N1HX1SQ

Getting China to move first is exactly what Putin wants, as Russia stands to benefit from Chinese aggression, as it allows them to exclusively negotiate with NK. He now can further align with another nuclear power and further fortifying his boarders.

Oil is the elephant in the room as usual. China is slowly moving off a fossil fuel economy, even further disengaging with Russian interests,. The bedrock of the Russian economy is energy extraction. They're banking heavily on finding oil in NK, as they began getting after it in 2015. Putin sees what energy dependance does for an economy and national security. We're rich, bitch and don't **** with us.

Here's an idea. Wanna crush Russia? Move to a renewable economy and cripple them into the next century.

Not a bad idea if you aren't scared of China and Russia teaming up. China holds 95% of the world's rare earth metal reserves, which are a requirement in pretty much all new technology.

So, let's say you get off of oil and are now 100% dependent on China for your energy needs. Does China deal with us or does China deal with the Russians to become the next sole (duo) superpower?

That's all a hypothetical anyway as any change in oil consumption will be gradual regardless of any conceivable regulatory requirement or public sentiment. The demand market simply will not be able to adjust fast enough (higher prices pressing deflation yet again) to compensate for any massive push that could make a difference on the Russian front.