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Too bad joe Jesus and him don't get along, he would've been perfect for this playoff run
Players I don't want on this team next season
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Too bad joe Jesus and him don't get along, he would've been perfect for this playoff run
Douchebag K
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I and others feel your pain brother ... at least tomorrow should be the last Jazz home game for him.
I think we can let the Favors situation play itself out.
If he comes back healthy, he'll be huge for us next year. If he cant get back to 100% then we can't go forward with him.
It's one of our easier calls to make. We need production out of that 4 spot. Diaw and a hobbled Favors are not going to cut it.
If he comes back healthy, he'll be huge for us next year. If he cant get back to 100% then we can't go forward with him.
It's one of our easier calls to make. We need production out of that 4 spot. Diaw and a hobbled Favors are not going to cut it.
Exactly. He's like fools gold, but I wouldn't give up on him just yet. I dont think we should give up on him now.
For one he's not 100%. Two he's still young, and I want to see him at least one more year.
Secondly we have players we know we can move on from, and we can't replace a huge portion of our roster without setbacks.
We need to use him correctly. If he's not consistent cut his playing time. We gave him a starting spot this year, and he regressed a little.
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I think he would better settle into his role and be more of a spot up three point shooter and his efficiency would go way up while his ppg would dip a bit
Miggs
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Burks. Given his salary, our tightening financial situation, and his injury history, we need to shed dead salary like that. Heck, even if he was playing, he just doesn't feel like a fit.
Diaw. I'd opt out and try to talk to him about coming back on a cheaper deal. Maybe. But he has to lose some weight. Quin and Lindsey have to sell him on that. There's no reason an NBA player making millions can't avoid Dom Deluise comps.
I'm 70/30 on Mack. He stinks but if we lose Hill to an overpriced offer from another team, retaining him may be crucial. The dollar amount of course matters though. I can't fathom paying 6M per for Mack.
Diaw. I'd opt out and try to talk to him about coming back on a cheaper deal. Maybe. But he has to lose some weight. Quin and Lindsey have to sell him on that. There's no reason an NBA player making millions can't avoid Dom Deluise comps.
I'm 70/30 on Mack. He stinks but if we lose Hill to an overpriced offer from another team, retaining him may be crucial. The dollar amount of course matters though. I can't fathom paying 6M per for Mack.
NAOS
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So, let's say he comes back next year and has 65ish games near full health and puts up good stats. That's a pretty rosy outlook. Ok. Now, at the end of that season, he's an unrestricted free agent; so we either sign him to big money (which will put us over the tax) or we let him walk for nothing. We also have to re-up Exum and Hood that same off-season. In short, I fail to see how the scenario you've outlined puts us in a great position.
Favors is barely an asset right now. It's hard to let that fact sink in. The problems with Favors, Hood, Exum, and Lyles add up to a big mother****ing deal. Those are supposed to be significant chips. If they'd all played up to even just 2/3rds their potential, then I'd actually like our chances to get either Butler or PG13 in a swing-for-the-fences type deal. As of now, though, I can't see why CHI or IND would even care about any of them beyond a moderate interest for Hood, at best. Too many question marks around Favors' health. Too much bust potential in Exum and Lyles.
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I generally agree with this. We won 51 games with this team not being healthy! What we need to consider carefully is chemistry. Basketball is a team game and we need to focus on the guys who play well together. Hayward, Hill, and Jingles have great chemistry. Rudy and Exum have good chemistry; no one throws Rudy lobs better than X. Rudy and Diaw have good chemistry, but Diaw and X not so much. I think Neto fits well as a third PG who has been constantly improving; I don't understand why Quin has gone back to Mack of late. I'd rather lose with Exum and Neto getting valuable experience than relying on Mack who has no future in Utah. Favors and Burks need an off-season of rehab to re-evaluate. Hood and Lyles just need to get better. I don't know what's up with Lyles, why he has regressed so badly. Withey is ho-hum and could be an asset at the end of the bench; Bolomboy is wait and see. With all that said, the only untouchables for me would be Rudy, Hayward, Hill, Ingles, and JJ.
"65ish games near full health" = he's gone. They only way we should re-invest in Favors is if he has a monster year with less than 10 games missed. You are correct he is not much of an asset right now, but he would if he was healthy next year. It all depends on his health. You know if he's healthy he's going to put up good numbers, and be a huge part in another run next year.
NAOS
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What you're saying is that he's an asset if he plays a full season at full health and then we re-sign him. In other words, he's an asset as richly paid and on-going part of this team. With Rudy Gobert.
Is this summation correct?
I'd much rather invest in Favors if he had a crappy/meh year then a monster year. There would at least be an element of "buy low" that could be capitalized on.
Big element of him becoming viewed as just a center, which would drop his value massively.
Big element of him becoming viewed as just a center, which would drop his value massively.
The case for PG becoming obtainable is that no teams wants to touch him because of the LA rumors. The Lakers, knowing this, come in and completely low-ball Indy in a effort to get him in a trade so they can cut some risk of PG being courted by another team. The Jazz just come in with Hood, who is at least a potential starter, and some fist round picks (could do 1 this year and a future pick). That could potentially be better than anything else they get.
The problem is if Indy is proactive enough to get a deal done before the season starts. If I'm Utah, I'm much more weary of trading for PG mid-season. Maybe it's stupid to be splitting hairs, but it seems in that scenario there is a much lower chance at the team integrating and becoming successful enough to get a high seed and get to the WCF.
NAOS
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It's crazy to think that this scenario may be the Rosy Outlook from the players-as-assets perspective. That's why I made the "worry thread" months ago.
https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php?58501-the-worry-thread
NAOS
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You really think we could pry PG13 away with Hood and two late-1st before the season starts? I don't.
Diaw + Burks + Lyles + Tomic.
I've been told all of those guys have good value.
Hell, and maybe a S&T for Mack if they don't think Teague is their PGOTF then they'd appreciate us helping lock up Mack long-term.
NAOS
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umm... troll post?
Lyles probably has some value, but the rest of your post seems like trollololol
He's definitely trolling and it was hilarious. In all seriousness, I think Indiana would want something like:
Hood + Lyles + Exum + #24 + a future-first
What's everyone's thoughts on that trade?
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Regarding Ingles, it is hard to trade a free agent, more likely he just walks. You'd have to find a team with a cap situation and do a sign & trade.
Give all that up to a guy heading to the Lakers?