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♪alt13 said:
Srsly Hayward's grandchildren will want for nothing as is. Is there a better situation to be in to gamble on yourself?
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If you take the one-year gamble, why wouldn't you take it with a pay raise?

Also, I think you underestimate the way people feel as their income increases. To you and I, we'd settle for one year of ten million -- we'd be set for life. Start making that money and seeing how you just as easily could make exponentially more and your expectations will change.
 
Especially if you've made $16M a year, you realize how big that is... and realize you don't want to leave that on the table if you don't have to.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Here is a highly unlikely off-season scenario:

1. Jazz re-sign Hayward

2. Jazz trade Favors/Hood/A First round pick for Paul George (Indiana does this because they know George is leaving and no one else is ballsy enough to give anything up for George). https://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jbddqod

3. Jazz renounce rights for Hill/Withey/Mack. Hill is too expensive to re-sign

4. Jazz trade Alec Burks to the Phoenix Suns for Brandon Knight. Knight has been a disaster on the Suns and they dont have enough minutes for him. Burks is a little bit cheaper per year and has 1 less year on his deal. Jazz get a PG with potential who can play off-ball of George/Hayward.https://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zvdoavo

5. Jazz draft some people with their 3 remaining draft picks to fill out the roster. Hopefully someone exist in the draft that can be our startin PF right away from Day 1

6. Try to keep Ingles. If we can't, look into CJ Miles or Thabo Sefalosha. IDK, cap geniuses tell me how much money we have left. We can still cut Diaw or something if we have to

Go into the season like:

Brandon Knight/ Raul Neto
Paul George/ Dante Exum
Gordon Hayward/ Joe Ingles
Somebody / Joe Johnson
Rudy Gobert/ Bolomboy

Pray this team finishes in the top 3 of the West so they avoid GS in the first two rounds. Hope they pull of some miraculous upset of Golden State that convinces PG to stay long-term.
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Best idea I've heard so far. It might take 2 late 1sts to get George along with Hood and Favors/Lyles.

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orangello said:
Best idea I've heard so far. It might take 2 late 1sts to get George along with Hood and Favors/Lyles.

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Except you have to worry about him and Westbrook going to LA. Other players who could follow that year include Cousins and our very own D Favs.
 
♪alt13 said:
Except you have to worry about him and Westbrook going to LA. Other players who could follow that year include Cousins and our very own D Favs.
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If you want to get better then there are major risks all around.

The only non risky option is if Hayward and Gobert both turn into top 5 players next year. That's unlikely.

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♪alt13 said:
Except you have to worry about him and Westbrook going to LA. Other players who could follow that year include Cousins and our very own D Favs.
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I think if we got him and he turns out to be the missing piece we need to compete in the west, then there's no way he leaves. And if it doesn't work out, he can leave and we are left with a decent amount of flexibility to try something else. Seems like a great proposition to me.

And I can't see Westbrook leaving OKC, dude has developed a huge chip on his shoulder there, and I think that's the way he likes it (Does that make any sense?)
 
Jazz aren't the only team to make the second round and face an uncertain future. The raptors can't get past the Super Team East, so they might blow it all up. That is great for competition.

What they won't do: Bring back this same group. Doing so would vault them at least $30 million over the luxury tax, for a total bill of something like $250 million. You don't pay that for a noncontender.

It will be hard for Toronto to duck the tax if it retains Lowry and Serge Ibaka, even if its other two core free agents -- PJ Tucker and plus-minus god Patrick Patterson -- walk away. Salary-dumping DeMarre Carroll was always the Raptors' get-out-of-the-tax card, but Carroll's decline has been so severe they would likely have to attach a first-round pick as a sweetener. Trading Jonas Valanciunas loomed as the alternate cost-cutting measure, but no one needs a center. The most likely Valanciunas deals would return someone else's unwanted big fella.

Toronto could move Cory Joseph's $7.6 million deal in a hot second, but that alone wouldn't get it under the tax if both Ibaka and Lowry re-sign.
 
infection said:
Especially if you've made $16M a year, you realize how big that is... and realize you don't want to leave that on the table if you don't have to.
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Whats crazy is that Hayward could pick up his option and make some demands. When Joe J and Favors come off the books after next season, we can throw a massive contract at somebody else. What if Hayward convinced Paul George to come here as a free agent?

Hayward would get a bigger deal, George would get a max deal, and we wouldnt have to thin out our bench now to get George.

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PG_AB said:
How about Chris Bosh?! Now that would be a damn fine fit.
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Agreed. His contract situation is complicated, though. Miami would have to waive him but they have no incentive to because they're collecting insurance which they'd lose if he is waived. On top of that, they'd have to pay out a huge amount of his salary if he plays somewhere else because insurance stops.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I'd rather not watch a man die playing basketball

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It's not as simple as that. His health issues don't affect his ability to play or his athleticism. Miami has him sitting out because they don't want him ruled out for medical reasons and have to pay his massive salary.
 
infection said:
It's not as simple as that. His health issues don't affect his ability to play or his athleticism. Miami has him sitting out because they don't want him ruled out for medical reasons and have to pay his massive salary.
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He could die on the court. Its as simple as that. Its why no one will touch him.

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Saint Cy of JFC said:
He could die on the court. Its as simple as that. Its why no one will touch him.

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He's not going to die on the court. People won't touch him because they can't tease apart different serious medical conditions and how they affect people. His odds of dying on the court are about the same as dying on his couch (in fact they're less, unless he took too much of his Coumadin and Draymond punched him in the side of the head). The reason Miami is holding him out is money and I wouldn't take it as indicative of how big of a risk it would be for having him on a much smaller deal.
 
infection said:
He's not going to die on the court. People won't touch him because they can't tease apart different serious medical conditions and how they affect people. His odds of dying on the court are about the same as dying on his couch (in fact they're less, unless he took too much of his Coumadin and Draymond punched him in the side of the head). The reason Miami is holding him out is money and I wouldn't take it as indicative of how big of a risk it would be for having him on a much smaller deal.
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Well they are going to waive him...

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Late to the conversation, but a couple names I'd like to kick around is James Johnson and Ilyasova.

Johnson could bring in some of that Booker mentality athletic long, and good defender. Not a great shooter or anything but can hit the occasional outside shot.

Ilyasova would finally bring us a dependable outside shooter, and give us the fit we need next to Gobert. His court stretching could do wonders for our team offense.
 
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