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How is Hoods age a concern? And you say lack of consistency is red flag for Hood but not for Exum? Exum is consistent at one thing - being bad.
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How is Hoods age a concern? And you say lack of consistency is red flag for Hood but not for Exum? Exum is consistent at one thing - being bad.
Quin's Murderface
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I'm saying that Hood is closer to his prime age where players don't grow as much. Exum is still very young, and has been injured. Of course Exum has been inconsistent with the role and injury. I didn't say that Exum had no flags either, just less. Outside of his one freak injury he has been healthy. I love Hood, but even in his healthy season he was getting tweaked all the time. The dude just has a hard time staying healthy. That doesn't always show up in the "games played" category either. Like Favors this season was actually effective in about 15 games even though he played 50 or whatever it was.
For me, I would rather bet on Exum's potential and long term health over Hood becoming significantly better, and staying healthy as he gets older. I'd love to keep them both, though.
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honestly what do Jazz fans think they can get for Favors? A first round pick? Because no one is going give a lottery pick in this draft for him. Jazz are handicapped when it comes to Favors. He isn't that good but the Jazz have a lot of time and money invested in him thus far. Crap situation the Jazz are in when it comes to what to do with Favors
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That works if Hayward re-signs, but those might be the guys he's closest with on the team.
It's a pretty easy situation for the Jazz. His value isn't as low as people claim. There are teams willing to take a chance he gets healthy and plays like he did the season before.
If a decent trade comes along or his salary is needed for a big trade, go for it.
If there is no trade this off season let him get healthy see what he can do.
Id he can't get healthy trade him for whatever or let him walk.
If he plays really well then make a decision if you want to keep him or trade him for something decent.
I don't like this story that a player has to impose on the franchise to keep other players in order to re-sign.
I appreciate Gobert even more that extended his contract without hesitation and preconditions.
Miggs
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Not being a douche but this didn't answer my question.
I don't think (many) teams will even have room to make such offers next summer was my point. It's sort of like us this summer. We can go over the cap in extending Hayward, Hill and Ingles but we can't really go after free agents much lest we trade Burks or Favors or someone else. I see teams spending a lot this summer, going above the cap, where they will remain next summer when the cap stagnates, and being unable to bring in fresh faces in 2018 because of it.
There will be exceptions no doubt and teams can shed salary much like I'm talking about with Burks or Favors but I doubt this will happen a ton and I doubt our guys are the only ones teams will be pursuing in doing so.
Can we still extend Favors next season still? If he is healthy and playing well I am sure he would be willing to sign an extension for a discount like he did last time. He seems very happy being on a team that wants him and that he has stability with.
Not sure it is the right choice but it could be depending on how next season unfolds.
Douchebag K
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Douchebag K
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Perfect summation. Rodney is what, 4 years older ? He' been given a LOT of playing time and usage % He's never gotten to the free throw line and is injured a lot.
I think the way to think about it is .. how easy is it to replace their talent ? I would imagine it's easier to find an average shooting guard in the NBA than to find a guard with elite level blistering speed and good vision/passing albeit with many weaknesses.
The other thing tho is .. you know what Hood is at this point, he might take a decent jump this year. Exum might either just get a bit better but get stuck or he might completely explode.
Douchebag K
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but what good is that if it's one in every dozen games ?
Miggs
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If you're asking, can we in accordance with the CBA, yes, definitely I think. He's our own guy.
This coming year we should be fine even if we do go into the LT some. Hopefully we can dump Burks and opt out of Diaw or at least get him on a cheaper deal, and maybe dump Lyles.
In 18/19, we currently only have have:
Gobert--22.74M
Burks--11.54M
Lyles--3.37M
Bolomboy--1.54M
...along with cap holds...
If we dump Burks and Lyles, that gives us Rudy and Bolomboy at 23.28 total. Let's say we stand pat and have our 2017 24th and 30th picks on the roster that season. That's 1.56M and 1.38M more per RealGM. So for four guys, that's 26.22M. Let's also assume we have our two 2018 NBA 1st rounders on that roster and that they are the 21st (OKC this year) and 24th picks (same for us again) and that the rookie scale goes up a little. That's 1.77M and 1.56M more for 3.33M more total, now putting us at 29.55M for six guys.
Let's say Hill is at 25M, Hayward 37M, and Ingles 12M. Now we're at 103.55M for nine guys. Gobert, Hayward, Hill, Ingles, Bolomboy, our two 2017 1st rounders, and our two 2018 1st rounders. If we can retain Favors, Hood, and Exum for about 15M each (wishful thinking), we'd then be at 148.55M for 12 guys. We would probably have 1-2 2017-2018 2nd rounders on that roster too, along with maybe 1-2 cheap vets, putting us at around 155-160M.
So yeah, again, per the CBA, I think it's possible. But looking at these projections, unlikely. All the more reason to try to keep Hill somewhere more around 22M. Ingles more around 10M. And if we can, we may be able to retain two of Exum, Favors and Hood. And pray the Cap/LT actually end up going up a little next year.
DasJazz
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I'd keep Hood because I know his recent struggles are related to injury and not talent. He's a stud when injury free and will come back extremely strong once healed up.
I like the flashes I see in Exum but to me I just don't see the eternal promise that everyone has been waiting for and hoping for. Not saying he's a bad player but I think he's far behind on his overall development and won't be the player we had hoped for.
I like the flashes I see in Exum but to me I just don't see the eternal promise that everyone has been waiting for and hoping for. Not saying he's a bad player but I think he's far behind on his overall development and won't be the player we had hoped for.
Cappy_Smurf
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You could figure out which teams are set up to have cap room that year, but like you said, so many things could change by then, that it's pretty speculative. Plus, I'm too ****ing lazy to do it right now.
My point remains the same, though. There will be SOME teams with cap room, and they are going to look at Hood at then look at Utah's financial numbers and smell blood.
Although I do think there's a chance Utah makes a trade before then to ease the problem a bit. I guess it's always possible that Hood accepts an extension, which changes things. The LT doesn't have to be paid until after the trade deadline, so Utah could carry a ****load of salary next year and hope to dump some at the deadline. That would give them maximum time to decide who they want to keep and who will be a casualty.