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2017-2018 Jazz salaries, cap/LT details

Miggs

Miggs

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Let me start off by saying the cap and LT are 101M and 121M.

Hayward (30.6M--if he can't get the DPV extension, opts out, and gets the max--this is what I expect to happen)
Gobert (21.224M)
Favors (12M) (It's 11.75M really but has 250K in likely incentives)
Johnson (10.505M)
Exum (4.992M)
Hood (2.386M)
Neto (1.471M)
Bolomboy (1.312M)
24th pick (1.316M)
30th pick (1.162M)

That's 86.968M for 10 guys. Let's say Ingles and Hill come back starting at 11M and 24M respectively. That puts us at 121.968M for 12 guys, just beyond the LT. Add in perhaps one 2nd round pick and a vet on the minimum (Bogut?) and we would only be a few million over the LT and I think the Millers would pay that.

The financial issues would then come in 18-19. More to come on that with salary specifics.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Let me start off by saying the cap and LT are 101M and 121M.

Hayward (30.6M--if he can't get the DPV extension, opts out, and gets the max--this is what I expect to happen)
Gobert (21.224M)
Favors (12M) (It's 11.75M really but has 250K in likely incentives)
Johnson (10.505M)
Exum (4.992M)
Hood (2.386M)
Neto (1.471M)
Bolomboy (1.312M)
24th pick (1.316M)
30th pick (1.162M)

That's 86.968M for 10 guys. Let's say Ingles and Hill come back starting at 11M and 24M respectively. That puts us at 121.968M for 12 guys, just beyond the LT. Add in perhaps one 2nd round pick and a vet on the minimum (Bogut?) and we would only be a few million over the LT and I think the Millers would pay that.

The financial issues would then come in 18-19. More to come on that with salary specifics.
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You forgot Burks.. unless I skim read it. We need to move Burks for no salary in this scenario.
 
I put together a small spreadsheet summary because I am a nerd and was curios. Using roughly the same numbers for Hill and Ingles (24.5 and 9), trading burks and adding a minimum salary player I have us at just under $127 M for a full 15 man roster. Results in a tax bill of $8.8M... totally manageable for a team that is top 6-7 in the league and who has operated at the salary floor while getting good gate receipts the last few years.

Pay the piper!
 
Wes Mantooth said:
All this is assuming Burks and Lyles are moved btw and we opt out of Boris.
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Doubt we move Lyles... although some of Locke's comments on him "checking out" because he wasn't playing are extremely troublesome.

I want guys like Gobert that don't play and it lights a fire under them and makes them murder everyone when they do play. Lyles may be too laid back.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Let me start off by saying the cap and LT are 101M and 121M.

Hayward (30.6M--if he can't get the DPV extension, opts out, and gets the max--this is what I expect to happen)
Gobert (21.224M)
Favors (12M) (It's 11.75M really but has 250K in likely incentives)
Johnson (10.505M)
Exum (4.992M)
Hood (2.386M)
Neto (1.471M)
Bolomboy (1.312M)
24th pick (1.316M)
30th pick (1.162M)

That's 86.968M for 10 guys. Let's say Ingles and Hill come back starting at 11M and 24M respectively. That puts us at 121.968M for 12 guys, just beyond the LT. Add in perhaps one 2nd round pick and a vet on the minimum (Bogut?) and we would only be a few million over the LT and I think the Millers would pay that.

The financial issues would then come in 18-19. More to come on that with salary specifics.
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The big issues in 18-19 are that you can likely only retain one of Hood, Exum, or Favors if Hill is retained. So do you trade 2 of them now and get assets or do you take the wait and see approach and get nothing. Or do you let Hill walk and risk losing Hayward. I don't think they are necessarily a package deal but we need someone good at PG and I don't see us being able to acquire someone better than Hill in a trade prior to FA.
 
Can Lyles be a sweetener in a deal to clear Burks?
 
infection said:
Can Lyles be a sweetener in a deal to clear Burks?
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For sure... I really don't think we'd have to go that far though. I'm not sure BKN will find better uses for their cap space... Philly is another potential spot, but they have a roster crunch.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
The big issues in 18-19 are that you can likely only retain one of Hood, Exum, or Favors if Hill is retained. So do you trade 2 of them now and get assets or do you take the wait and see approach and get nothing. Or do you let Hill walk and risk losing Hayward. I don't think they are necessarily a package deal but we need someone good at PG and I don't see us being able to acquire someone better than Hill in a trade prior to FA.
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Yep, and with Boris sent packing and Johnson done after this year, I think we'd choose to keep Favors. He has shown the best two way play, seems tight with the group and maybe most importantly, seems like the type that would sign at a discount.

Exum, Lyles and the GS pick this season (or OKC next) could perhaps net us a lower end lottery pick in 2018. It's be a loss when you consider Exum went at #5 but it would be a heck of an asset to add.
 
I'm not so certain we'd be keen on paying any tax bill to that extent. Miller Trust is rich no doubt, but don't mistake that rich for Cuban/Ballmer rich.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
Yep, and with Boris sent packing and Johnson done after this year, I think we'd choose to keep Favors. He has shown the best two way play, seems tight with the group and maybe most importantly, seems like the type that would sign at a discount.

Exum, Lyles and the GS pick this season (or OKC next) could perhaps net us a lower end lottery pick in 2018. It's be a loss when you consider Exum went at #5 but it would be a heck of an asset to add.
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I'd prefer to retain one of Exum or Hood... worried Hood gets overpaid. Don't think anyone rolls out the brinks truck for Exum. Favs is interesting, but i think with Rudy he's a 20-25 minute a night guy and I would be upset with that if I was him. I don't think Favs gets anywhere near the 20 per season I thought he'd get at one time. His next contract will be interesting.
 
Avery said:
I'm not so certain we'd be keen on paying any tax bill to that extent. Miller Trust is rich no doubt, but don't mistake that rich for Cuban/Ballmer rich.
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We operated 14M under the cap this year... $9M in luxury tax shouldn't be a problem if we want to compete.
 
I think Ingles may be retained a little cheaper than some might. I would have a hard time offering him $10+M a year in a different system. He's not a high upside guy... he's a glue guy on a playoff team... which playoff team with space offers him a deal. don't think bottom feeders come at him with anything more than Trevor Booker money... which we will match.

Add in that he's beloved here and can likely get the Harpring treatment after retirement... I think he's 4/40 and he stays.
 
So according to Locke, the Jazz can combine their $13M or $14M room under this year's cap plus Boris Diaw's non-guaranteed contract in a trade before July 1st to bring back a contract worth up to ~$20M. So if there were a team willing to trade us a good player to relieve financial pressure, we could take that deal and then exceed the cap to re-sign Hayward. Probably we sweeten the trade with a pick or a player.

If we take on a full $20M deal, it might affect our ability to sign George Hill in free agency.

So the question is, who can we acquire via trade to help a team reduce payroll? Find a team that wants to change direction and pick a good player.

Examples: Bledsoe? Galinari? Rudy Gay? Dragic?

Etc.
 
Catchall said:
So according to Locke, the Jazz can combine their $13M or $14M room under this year's cap plus Boris Diaw's non-guaranteed contract in a trade before July 1st to bring back a contract worth up to ~$20M. So if there were a team willing to trade us a good player to relieve financial pressure, we could take that deal and then exceed the cap to re-sign Hayward. Probably we sweeten the trade with a pick or two.

If we take on a full $20M deal, it might affect our ability to sign George Hill in free agency.

So the question is, who can we acquire via trade to help a team reduce payroll?
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So I have a question on this... I thought unguaranteed salaries are now only worth the guarantee amount in a trade. This is a change, but I think he might be mistaken. I really don't see us taking on that kind of salary before free agency... using a pick to acquire Rubio (only guy that fits the pg) is not ideal imo.

Wouldn't it be better to sign Hill... keep the draft assets and if Hill's contract becomes burdensome use draft assets to trade it? If it doesn't then the cupboard is still full.

I mean it's an option, but I could see us doing like the #30 for Aminu or something... not a significant salary.
 
Catchall said:
So according to Locke, the Jazz can combine their $13M or $14M room under this year's cap plus Boris Diaw's non-guaranteed contract in a trade before July 1st to bring back a contract worth up to ~$20M. So if there were a team willing to trade us a good player to relieve financial pressure, we could take that deal and then exceed the cap to re-sign Hayward. Probably we sweeten the trade with a pick or a player.

If we take on a full $20M deal, it might affect our ability to sign George Hill in free agency.

So the question is, who can we acquire via trade to help a team reduce payroll? Find a team that wants to change direction and pick a good player.

Examples: Bledsoe? Galinari? Rudy Gay? Dragic?

Etc.
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Well according to some (on this forum) the Knicks will use Porzingis as a sweetener to offload Noah.
 
The issue is that once the Jazz sign Hayward, our cap is gone. We can re-sign George Hill since we have his bird rights, but if Hill balks, we're screwed. We'd have less of a team than last year.
 
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