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White Chocolate said:
Well, wasn't it more like 13 mil this year as an incentive and 3/75 for the future? Even then Hill is basically saying he's worth more than 25 mil per year. What is he expecting? 4/100 is probably the max I would go and even then that's a lot. Gobert signed for 4/102 no reason to sign Hill for more than that.


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Different situations... Gobert got close to his max. The per year thing doesn't matter as much if you are getting a 13 M signing bonus.

I think 4/100 is what I would set the over under on and that is why if he passed up 3/88 I thought it was a mistake... in 4 years he could likely make 5ish a year or more so it was weird he passed. He may be looking for the max 4/130 from a bottom feeder. I'm hoping Philly gets a pg in the draft and that Phoenix does too, because Bledsoe would likely be moved in that scenario.

I think the market might be more tepid... the one to watch out for imo is Sacramento... no one will want to take their money and if they offered 4/120ish he'd have to go and we'd likely have to watch him cuz that is too spendy. Outside of that I think he gets 4/80ish from us and it is a good scenario for both parties. I think he was offered more and made a mistake. He had agent issues this offseason.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
U got a source on the offer... I was under the impression we went 3/88 (13 of that coming from our cap space this year) If we offered 3/60 and he turned it down then I'd understand his line of thinking more.
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Locke in a podcast last week said the Jazz would offer Hill 4 years at ~$80M and said that's what the Jazz offered Hill during their extension talks. Locke implied that Hill would likely accept it this time. Was Weds. or Thurs. last week.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Different situations... Gobert got close to his max. The per year thing doesn't matter as much if you are getting a 13 M signing bonus.

I think 4/100 is what I would set the over under on and that is why if he passed up 3/88 I thought it was a mistake... in 4 years he could likely make 5ish a year or more so it was weird he passed. He may be looking for the max 4/130 from a bottom feeder. I'm hoping Philly gets a pg in the draft and that Phoenix does too, because Bledsoe would likely be moved in that scenario.

I think the market might be more tepid... the one to watch out for imo is Sacramento... no one will want to take their money and if they offered 4/120ish he'd have to go and we'd likely have to watch him cuz that is too spendy. Outside of that I think he gets 4/80ish from us and it is a good scenario for both parties. I think he was offered more and made a mistake. He had agent issues this offseason.
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This is a pretty solid post. If he wants to make more money playing for a lottery team then let him.


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White Chocolate said:
Well, wasn't it more like 13 mil this year as an incentive and 3/75 for the future? Even then Hill is basically saying he's worth more than 25 mil per year. What is he expecting? 4/100 is probably the max I would go and even then that's a lot. Gobert signed for 4/102 no reason to sign Hill for more than that.


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The Jazz's $13M in unused cap space was to be added to Hill's current-year deal of $7M, bringing him to $20M for this past season. The Jazz were then going to extend him for 3 more years, thereby creating a 4-year, $80M deal in total, maybe $88M including annual raises.

Locke thinks Hill will accept the same deal this offseason, assuming the Jazz still want to offer it. The only difference now is that market pressure from other teams wanting Hill helps Hill in the negotiation. So Hill is playing out his leverage....with the exception being that his play dropped off and he kept missing time with injuries after he turned down the Jazz's extension. Hence, I don't think he's looking at a max deal anymore.
 
Catchall said:
The Jazz's $13M in unused cap space was to be added to Hill's current-year deal of $7M, bringing him to $20M for this past season. The Jazz were then going to extend him for 3 more years, thereby creating a 4-year, $80M deal in total, maybe $88M including annual raises.

Locke thinks Hill will accept the same deal this offseason, assuming the Jazz still want to offer it. The only difference now is that market pressure from other teams wanting Hill helps Hill in the negotiation. So Hill is playing out his leverage....with the exception being that his play dropped off and he kept missing time with injuries after he turned down the Jazz's extension. Hence, I don't think he's looking at a max deal anymore.
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That makes sense. I don't know why he didn't just take the extension but whatever. I'd be all for a 4/80 contract. That seems like best case scenario at this point though.


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Re: Sacramento -- They have two picks in the top 10. One of them is almost certain to be Frank Ntilkina or Dennis Smith Jr. They're going into full rebuild mode.
 
White Chocolate said:
That makes sense. I don't know why he didn't just take the extension but whatever. I'd be all for a 4/80 contract. That seems like best case scenario at this point though.


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Because he had no reason not to test his market. All he had to do was avoid getting injured, which is probably why he coasted more and took plenty of time off the court.
 
Catchall said:
Because he had no reason not to test his market. All he had to do was avoid getting injured, which is probably why he coasted more and took plenty of time off the court.
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He only played 49 games and missed basically the whole series against GS. That wouldn't put me at ease if I was another team.


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White Chocolate said:
He only played 49 games and missed basically the whole series against GS. That wouldn't put me at ease if I was another team.

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True, but if he played more and got injured worse, it would kill his free agency. I don't want to compare this to the Carlos Boozer situation, but it's a bit similar to the Carlos Boozer situation. Hill thought he was going to get a raise regardless of how many games he played. He already showed he was worth big money when properly motivated. I don't think Hill was being devious. I'm just saying he's playing out his negotiation process.
 
Catchall said:
The Jazz's $13M in unused cap space was to be added to Hill's current-year deal of $7M, bringing him to $20M for this past season. The Jazz were then going to extend him for 3 more years, thereby creating a 4-year, $80M deal in total, maybe $88M including annual raises.

Locke thinks Hill will accept the same deal this offseason, assuming the Jazz still want to offer it. The only difference now is that market pressure from other teams wanting Hill helps Hill in the negotiation. So Hill is playing out his leverage....with the exception being that his play dropped off and he kept missing time with injuries after he turned down the Jazz's extension. Hence, I don't think he's looking at a max deal anymore.
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It was a 3/88 in that scenario. 88 in new money and 3 added year to the deal... he'd have every incentive to take that over a 4/80 now... so he bypassed some significant dough. Let me know he looking for more.

If he is rational and takes 4/80 then great for us... it is hard to take less than you were previously offered though. Like getting an offer for your house of $500k six months ago and then being offered $450k six months later... just hard to swallow when you were hoping to get $550k.
 
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Re: Sacramento -- They have two picks in the top 10. One of them is almost certain to be Frank Ntilkina or Dennis Smith Jr. They're going into full rebuild mode.
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they took that Papagorgio dude last year and just make puzzling moves... they have screwed up FA in the past... they have some new voices in the room, but I just don't rule out anything with those jokers. There are also scenarios where Philly makes a big offer for Hill.
 
Catchall said:
Locke in a podcast last week said the Jazz would offer Hill 4 years at ~$80M and said that's what the Jazz offered Hill during their extension talks. Locke implied that Hill would likely accept it this time. Was Weds. or Thurs. last week.
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I would be happy if this is the case
 
Catchall said:
Locke in a podcast last week said the Jazz would offer Hill 4 years at ~$80M and said that's what the Jazz offered Hill during their extension talks.
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Interesting. If accurate, I'm a little surprised the Jazz didn't go a bit more than that during the extension talks since this year's cap space (currently unused) would help defray some of that.

4 years at $80M is about where I myself would set the limit, so I'll be happy if the Jazz do the same.
 
colton said:
Interesting. If accurate, I'm a little surprised the Jazz didn't go a bit more than that during the extension talks since this year's cap space (currently unused) would help defray some of that.

4 years at $80M is about where I myself would set the limit, so I'll be happy if the Jazz do the same.
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I think the jazz went as high on the extension as is allowed. That's how I remember it anyway.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
they took that Papagorgio dude last year and just make puzzling moves... they have screwed up FA in the past... they have some new voices in the room, but I just don't rule out anything with those jokers. There are also scenarios where Philly makes a big offer for Hill.
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True. You never know what's going to happen, especially if their owner intervenes, but they really need a PG.
 
colton said:
Interesting. If accurate, I'm a little surprised the Jazz didn't go a bit more than that during the extension talks since this year's cap space (currently unused) would help defray some of that.

4 years at $80M is about where I myself would set the limit, so I'll be happy if the Jazz do the same.
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Jazz probably want to save some space under the cap to make another move, or give themselves room under the luxury tax to retain Joe Ingles.
 
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Jazz probably want to save some space under the cap to make another move, or give themselves room under the luxury tax to retain Joe Ingles.
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Tim McMahon, who has been good on the Jazz this year, gave strong indications we offered all we could. We still could have had some wiggle room with him retained. I think we offered the full amount we could offer at that time and it wasn't enough... if so we really mishandled the extra 13 M we had this year. If 4/80 is acceptable I can't imagine we wouldn't go 3/80 as the per year cap hit would have been very close and we would shave the least desirable year off the contract. He'd be a FA a year earlier... at very least he could get a one year 5-10M offer.

I think we offered full amount and I think he is looking 4 year max... I think at this point there is a small chance he gets that but Mozgov and Deng got twice the amounts I thought they would last year (in a different environment).
 
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