Right. I don't think it's a bad rule under the right parameters.
Boston vs Utah for Hayward
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Right. I don't think it's a bad rule under the right parameters.
Top 50 player isn't exactly a ringing endorsement. Boston has cap space to pursue another max-level free agent. So they'd have a Big 3 of IT, Horford and Hayward, and they'll have to go over the cap to extend IT. Is that enough to compete with the Cavs? I don't know, but that seems to be Boston's argument to Hayward -- "Come to Boston and we'll compete in the ECF for the next 2 - 3 years." Horford on a max deal isn't ideal if you want to compete with the Cavs.
Teams only have two picks though. Back then there was what, 8 rounds of drafting? Maybe the team who loses a FA should get a pick, but giving up a pick doesnt seem right.
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Yeah, you would think that getting some defensive beef would be more of a priority than Hayward for them. So damn glad that will not be a problem for us for a while yet. I have become so accustomed to the Gobert safety blanket. I hope Hayward has too.
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Cleveland sweeping the Celtics wouldn't hurt us.
You said he isnt a max player. Each team carries at least 2 max contracts = at least 60 max contracts at any given time. I dont think you watch basketball if you dont think Horford is worth it. His stats arent eye popping, but he is a great player.
Brook Lopez wouldn't be able to stay on the floor against the Cavs.
I for one wouldn't want to leave him. He makes up for other teammates mistakes and anywhere else you don't have that.
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That's actually a pretty good way of describing Gobert, because that applies to his defense AND offense (offensive rebounds).
David Locke is saying that the Celtics could trade for Jimmy Butler and still have enough cap room to sign Hayward. I'm not sure if Chicago wants to trade Butler, but that might make a pretty compelling proposition to Hayward.
Just keep in mind that Isiah gettin 6 m per year now. He wont be getting that in years to come. They cant overload 5 max players in their team.
True, but IT + Butler + Hayward + Horford = 4
They'd be replacing Avery Bradley and Jae Crowder with Butler and Hayward.
Please don't kill me for this. It's just a hypothetical and I would like to see what Jazz fans think in case worse comes to worst. So the hypothetical is: Hayward decides to leave for Boston and Hill leaves too...
Would you do the following:
Gobert for Markelle Fultz + BKN 2018 pick + filler(to make salaries match)?
Why for Boston: Gobert covers pretty much all of Boston's major needs - rebounding, interior defense, help/weakside defense to cover for ITs weaknesses defensively. They also get him on a nice contract for 4 years.
Why for Utah: We decide retooling around Gobert will be very hard task with Hayward and Hill gone and decide to jumpstart the rebuilt with two high end assets instead of being not bad enough to get high end picks and not good enough to compete for the next several years until Gobert's contract expires...
Thoughts?
(I guess the larger conversation I'd like to see thoughts about is - if Hayward leaves, do you guys think we should be retooling around Gobert or do you think if we get such an offer we should consider starting from 0 all over again).
Would you do the following:
Gobert for Markelle Fultz + BKN 2018 pick + filler(to make salaries match)?
Why for Boston: Gobert covers pretty much all of Boston's major needs - rebounding, interior defense, help/weakside defense to cover for ITs weaknesses defensively. They also get him on a nice contract for 4 years.
Why for Utah: We decide retooling around Gobert will be very hard task with Hayward and Hill gone and decide to jumpstart the rebuilt with two high end assets instead of being not bad enough to get high end picks and not good enough to compete for the next several years until Gobert's contract expires...
Thoughts?
(I guess the larger conversation I'd like to see thoughts about is - if Hayward leaves, do you guys think we should be retooling around Gobert or do you think if we get such an offer we should consider starting from 0 all over again).
Bulls fans think Celtics wouldn't move the #1 for Butler, that the #1 is too valuable.
https://www.blogabull.com/2017/5/17...esults-may-have-killed-any-jimmy-butler-trade
https://www.blogabull.com/2017/5/17...esults-may-have-killed-any-jimmy-butler-trade
I was thinking the same thing. First, the Jazz shouldn't concede anything to the Celtics and this should be on the back-burner. But if the Jazz felt like they were going to lose Hayward, they could offer the Celtics Gobert for this and next year's Brooklyn pick. That assures the Celtics get Hayward, and gives them a roster that could unseat the Cavs.
If the Celtics replace Crowder with Hayward, that's not enough to make them a serious contender. If the Celtics can trade for an All Star and then come after Hayward, then it could.
If I were the Jazz, I might tell Ainge **** you though.
A team with IT, Hayward and Horford isn't better than a healthy Clippers team.
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You'd have to do that deal... I think the presence of Gobert won't let us lose enough to get the replacement talent. that is a great deal and would kickstart the process.
I would be devastated though... Rudy is the best and seeing him in a celtics uniform makes me want to puke and cry.
Jazz have too much pride to do this. It would look like the Jazz are a farm team for the Celtics.