All-NBA Teams Announced Thursday (5-18-17)

[Cappy_Smurf]

I am not just talking about dipping your toes into the LT. I am talking about really being aggressive and spending money. We haven't really seen that since Larry has died. Even more than that we have been way conservative with contracts. Which has cost us. We could have been aggressive with Hayward and signed him to the max instead of making him sign the offer with The hornets.

The Jazz have not spent money in years. My opinion is that this trust has spred the money to thin. We consistently waste our cap space.

Everybody is an expert with hindsight. Utah matched a max contract for Hayward that the majority of fans thought would be a mistake, but nah, they never spend money. They probably should have maxed out Favors too, because they could have been in the same situation with him if he had tested FA.

Hell, let's just give everyone a max.

 

[franklin]

if the jazz paid LT for the DWill years (where they more or less went as far as we did this year) they'll do it again, I think. Greg has been pretty good for spending money where it was needed (Rudy, bringing in players to work out, etc.)

Wrong.

"Miller: I think it's had the effect of levelling the playing field. the luxury tax is now so punitive that even the markets with deeper pockets would have to be really crazy to go into that. I can tell you that as long as our family owns the team and the current tax structure, you'll never see the Jazz go into the luxury tax."

-Greg Miller

Arena renovations as well

Still duped by marketing ploys.

 

[fishonjazz]

Wrong.

"Miller: I think it's had the effect of levelling the playing field. the luxury tax is now so punitive that even the markets with deeper pockets would have to be really crazy to go into that. I can tell you that as long as our family owns the team and the current tax structure, you'll never see the Jazz go into the luxury tax."

-Greg Miller



Still duped by marketing ploys.

I like the additions to the arena.
And has been pointed out, the jazz have already paid the luxury tax. Sorry that Larry h duped you with that lie he told about not going into the tax.

Btw I'm sorry for you that the jazz rebuild has went so well. Probably upsets you to see positive things happening to the jazz.

 

[fishonjazz]

!

 

[Stoked]

I think what Franklin is getting at is that the luxury tax is not what it used to be. It now hits much, much harder. Much more of a deterrent to go over than it used to be.

 

[Utesnjazz]

You have already proven yourself wrong by opening your mouth. The Jazz have paid the luxury tax twice, and it was after Larry died.

Wrong.

"Miller: I think it's had the effect of levelling the playing field. the luxury tax is now so punitive that even the markets with deeper pockets would have to be really crazy to go into that. I can tell you that as long as our family owns the team and the current tax structure, you'll never see the Jazz go into the luxury tax."

-Greg Miller



Still duped by marketing ploys.

Crazy! Why would he even say it

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

HH is a solid poster, despite the fact he misjudges smart management for being cheap.

Truth be told, I wish this board had more posters who understood all the inner workings of team building/management as well as HH.

And I do see your point and was merely pointing out in this instance that we will see if they are willing to pay... this is the year that resolve is actually tested in the modern punitive environment. There was no reason to pay LT in the prior years could have added salary but I understand the case against it.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Wrong.

"Miller: I think it's had the effect of levelling the playing field. the luxury tax is now so punitive that even the markets with deeper pockets would have to be really crazy to go into that. I can tell you that as long as our family owns the team and the current tax structure, you'll never see the Jazz go into the luxury tax."

-Greg Miller



Still duped by marketing ploys.

I remember this quote and do wonder if the trust was in part to circumvent Greg or the family from treating the Jazz like a cash cow. It is a business and I understand operating it as such... just not an ideal situation for fans.

 

[r_u_s_t_b_u_c_k_e_t]

I am not just talking about dipping your toes into the LT. I am talking about really being aggressive and spending money. We haven't really seen that since Larry has died. Even more than that we have been way conservative with contracts. Which has cost us. We could have been aggressive with Hayward and signed him to the max instead of making him sign the offer with The hornets.

The Jazz have not spent money in years. My opinion is that this trust has spred the money to thin. We consistently waste our cap space.

The Jazz were the 11th most profligate team on Earth in 2011, finishing between Man City and Bayern Munich on this list:

https://www.sportingintelligence.co...average-first-team-salary-2011-report-060206/

Since the tank started soon after, it didn't make much sense to keep blowing money on player salaries.

 

[Gameface]

HH is a solid poster, despite the fact he misjudges smart management for being cheap.

Truth be told, I wish this board had more posters who understood all the inner workings of team building/management as well as HH.

It's not good or bad. We can all be fans on our own terms. I'm a blind Jazz homer. I love the players on the team and always want, and sometimes expect even when it's irrational, the team to be great.

I don't really look outside my relationship with this team and covet other teams players. I have almost no interest in draft prospects until they are selected by the Jazz, at which point I just assume they will become an amazing player.

Plenty could be said about how stupid my approach to fandom is.

 

[Gameface]

The hell you talking about... been a Jazz fan since I could watch a damn TV... was in attendance of the game stockton broke the steals record... attended Game 7 versus the Mutombo Nuggets... spent $700 for tickets to Game one of the GSW series this year where my son and I got autographs from half the team.

I don't give one **** about d-league... the fact that i can point out that we haven't used as much money as we could have to make the team better doesn't make me a bad fan... it makes me an educated fan.

If I've mistaken you for the poster that's always posting about D-league prospects, I'm sorry.

Besides that, I said I was led to an assumption. Google has a dictionary. I made my comment about how I see you based on what I recall you posting over the last season.

I don't know you. Never claimed to.

 

[colton]

The guy that voted lebron off of first team should lose his voting.

I can't believe Curry got less first team votes than that marshmallow jelly fish Durant.
Curry >Durant

Different positions. It's because people voted for Westbrook and Harden as the guards. (At least, I'm pretty sure All-NBA teams voting is done position by position. I could be wrong.)

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

I think Marc Gasol is better than DeAndre Jordan

As is Towns.

 

[ijazz]

Well, not good for the stayward campaign.

Jazz only can offer +1 year with slightly more money years 1-4.

Gtime --> Boston is now probably a 50/50 deal.

 

[colton]

Wrong.

"Miller: I think it's had the effect of levelling the playing field. the luxury tax is now so punitive that even the markets with deeper pockets would have to be really crazy to go into that. I can tell you that as long as our family owns the team and the current tax structure, you'll never see the Jazz go into the luxury tax."

-Greg Miller

Of course he's not in charge any more, and the team is now owned by a trust that doesn't allow the family to directly profit if more revenue is made than expenses are paid out. So it seems like a very different situation now, to me.

 

[colton]

I think what Franklin is getting at is that the luxury tax is not what it used to be. It now hits much, much harder. Much more of a deterrent to go over than it used to be.

If I recall correctly it's especially punitive if a team is over for multiple years in a row. So I can see the Jazz doing it once in a while here or there. But I agree that they probably won't consistently be over the tax threshold.

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

If I've mistaken you for the poster that's always posting about D-league prospects, I'm sorry.

Besides that, I said I was led to an assumption. Google has a dictionary. I made my comment about how I see you based on what I recall you posting over the last season.

I don't know you. Never claimed to.

That's Homeytennis, and he's alright too. You have to understand that Homey used to live in Idaho wherever our d-league team used to be, so the only players he got to see live was the d-leaguers.

And even though most of us don't take him too seriously with his suggestions of players to consider, you have to admire a fan that's so dedicated that he spends his time paying attention to a bunch of guys who most likely won't ever play much in the NBA.

You never know though, someday Utah may find a diamond in the rough like Whiteside, and if they do, you can bet your *** that Homie had a thread on him before the scouts figured it out.

 

[silesian]

I think Marc Gasol is better than DeAndre Jordan

Probably so. But DJ's defense in 2017 was far better than MG's (he has slipped a lot defensively).

 

[silesian]

As is Towns.

DJ's defensive edge over KAT is bigger than KAT's offensive edge over DJ.

KAT as a defensively liability at the 5 is a big deal.

 

[Cappy_Smurf]

If I recall correctly it's especially punitive if a team is over for multiple years in a row. So I can see the Jazz doing it once in a while here or there. But I agree that they probably won't consistently be over the tax threshold.

I've said this before, but I believe that Utah will try not to go over by more than 10 million, and won't do it for more than 2 years. Repeater tax kicks in if you're over 3 out of 4 years, so you have to wait at least 2 years before going over again.

It explains the details here:
https://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q21