Steve Bannon

[JazzGal]

Game is right. Nobody invites me to parties, and my wife wouldn't let me go, either.

My gggandpa kept a pub. It was in the family from oh 1600 to 1880. I believe I would be an alcoholic if I drank anything. I overdose on peppermint. or whatever is in the dish at my elbow. I would be a gambling addict if I gambled.

Some people are like that.

But I'm not addicted to government "solutions" for our problems.

I used to think the same thing. My paternal grandparents were alcoholics, I can often lose control eating chocolate - so therefore I was sure that if I ever drank alcohol or took drugs, I would be an addict. Turns out that taking pain pills does not make me want to take more pain pills, and I am a social drinker who has never consumed more than 2 drinks in an evening and only drinks about 6 times per year. I see few people actually get drunk at parties, where I had assumed that everyone did because I didn't understand drinking and believed "either-or" thinking. What I thought and what is reality are quite different.

 

[franklin]

I used to think the same thing. My paternal grandparents were alcoholics, I can often lose control eating chocolate - so therefore I was sure that if I ever drank alcohol or took drugs, I would be an addict. Turns out that taking pain pills does not make me want to take more pain pills, and I am a social drinker who has never consumed more than 2 drinks in an evening and only drinks about 6 times per year. I see few people actually get drunk at parties, where I had assumed that everyone did because I didn't understand drinking and believed "either-or" thinking. What I thought and what is reality are quite different.

Addiction genetics is a scientific fact. There is a reason Native's are known and prone to alcohol addiction.

The short of it, during meiosis (the splitting of genetic cells to contain only one set of chromosomes instead of two, creating eggs or sperm), there are these "tails" off the sides of DNA that lose bromine attached to them (bromination allows a segment of DNA to open up a gene for transcription and translation). Somehow, bromine re-attaches to the same tails and opens up the genes it unattached from in both the two new cells.

At which point the sperm and egg carries genetic information on to a new vessel. Think of it similar to instinct. How did those animals understand the same thing their parents did without being taught? How is sex drive instilled into pretty much everyone?

 

[fishonjazz]

Addiction genetics is a scientific fact. There is a reason Native's are known and prone to alcohol addiction.

The short of it, during meiosis (the splitting of genetic cells to contain only one set of chromosomes instead of two, creating eggs or sperm), there are these "tails" off the sides of DNA that lose bromine attached to them (bromination allows a segment of DNA to open up a gene for transcription and translation). Somehow, bromine re-attaches to the same tails and opens up the genes it unattached from in both the two new cells.

At which point the sperm and egg carries genetic information on to a new vessel. Think of it similar to instinct. How did those animals understand the same thing their parents did without being taught? How is sex drive instilled into pretty much everyone?

I got lucky with my genetics. No addiction problems whatsoever for me despite so many opportunities to become an addict.

I'm very thankful.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Addiction genetics is a scientific fact. There is a reason Native's are known and prone to alcohol addiction.

The short of it, during meiosis (the splitting of genetic cells to contain only one set of chromosomes instead of two, creating eggs or sperm), there are these "tails" off the sides of DNA that lose bromine attached to them (bromination allows a segment of DNA to open up a gene for transcription and translation). Somehow, bromine re-attaches to the same tails and opens up the genes it unattached from in both the two new cells.

At which point the sperm and egg carries genetic information on to a new vessel. Think of it similar to instinct. How did those animals understand the same thing their parents did without being taught? How is sex drive instilled into pretty much everyone?

Prone being the key word. I believe anyone can control themselves if they want to. Some people are more likely to struggle with addictions but I dont believe anyone isnt capable of overcoming it. I think anyone who really wants to can have a drink or 2 and be fine and control themselves can.

On a side note and only slightly related. AA has been a plague on society preaching that we cant control ourselves and its all or nothing. Besides there are pills that have been fairly effecting in curing "alcoholism." Not that I think that is the best solution but its much better than AA.

 

[LogGrad98]

I got lucky with my genetics. No addiction problems whatsoever for me despite so many opportunities to become an addict.

I'm very thankful.

Keep trying, you will get there! I believe in you fish!!

 

[LogGrad98]

Prone being the key word. I believe anyone can control themselves if they want to. Some people are more likely to struggle with addictions but I dont believe anyone isnt capable of overcoming it. I think anyone who really wants to can have a drink or 2 and be fine and control themselves can.

On a side note and only slightly related. AA has been a plague on society preaching that we cant control ourselves and its all or nothing. Besides there are pills that have been fairly effecting in curing "alcoholism." Not that I think that is the best solution but its much better than AA.

That sounds nice, and while I agree in principle, this sounds like it is coming from someone who never truly had to deal with the subject at hand, or any related subject. In short, over-simplified. Way over-simplified.

 

[Ron Mexico]

That sounds nice, and while I agree in principle, this sounds like it is coming from someone who never truly had to deal with the subject at hand, or any related subject. In short, over-simplified. Way over-simplified.

I've dealt with addictions on many levels and yet to meet anyone who couldn't overcome it.

 

[LogGrad98]

I've dealt with addictions on many levels and yet to meet anyone who couldn't overcome it.

Ok. We can agree to disagree. I have attended funerals of people, good friends, people I loved, who lost that fight. But your experience is obviously different and that is cool. I am glad you never had to deal with that aspect of this topic.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Ok. We can agree to disagree. I have attended funerals of people, good friends, people I loved, who lost that fight. But your experience is obviously different and that is cool. I am glad you never had to deal with that aspect of this topic.

I have lost plenty of people around me who have been dealing with alcohol problems and some with other addiction problems. There were much bigger issues at play that lead to the addiction problems. Couldnt and didnt are different words.

Also I was discussing alcohol issues, other issues such as pain meds can be a different issue although often relates.

 

[LogGrad98]

I have lost plenty of people around me who have been dealing with alcohol problems and some with other addiction problems. There were much bigger issues at play that lead to the addiction problems. Couldnt and didnt are different words.

Also I was discussing alcohol issues, other issues such as pain meds can be a different issue although often relates.

Agreed. No doubt other issues are involved, whether preceding or as a result of the substance abuse. The fallacy is that these things happen in a bubble. There are always extenuating circumstances. If it were simply the cravings alone that a person had to overcome, or the urge to partake in the first place, with no other exacerbating issues then yes, everyone who wants to can overcome. But it is rarely that simple.

 

[franklin]

That sounds nice, and while I agree in principle, this sounds like it is coming from someone who never truly had to deal with the subject at hand, or any related subject. In short, over-simplified. Way over-simplified.

People often don't understand depression until they have it.
People often don't understand addictive personality traits until they have one.
People often don't understand race relation issues (from all sides) until they live them.

There are plenty of examples that will not relate when you explain them.

Prone being the key word. I believe anyone can control themselves if they want to. Some people are more likely to struggle with addictions but I dont believe anyone isnt capable of overcoming it. I think anyone who really wants to can have a drink or 2 and be fine and control themselves can.

On a side note and only slightly related. AA has been a plague on society preaching that we cant control ourselves and its all or nothing. Besides there are pills that have been fairly effecting in curing "alcoholism." Not that I think that is the best solution but its much better than AA.

I get what you are saying, but consider that some can get addicted after a single drink. Genetics has an influence here that most can't understand.

 

[franklin]

I got lucky with my genetics. No addiction problems whatsoever for me despite so many opportunities to become an addict.

I'm very thankful.

Continue staying lucky. You can open up these genes over time and people eventually close them over time without use. It's how our bodies work. Opening them up is where the hereditary problems start.

 

[Gameface]

Prone being the key word. I believe anyone can control themselves if they want to. Some people are more likely to struggle with addictions but I dont believe anyone isnt capable of overcoming it. I think anyone who really wants to can have a drink or 2 and be fine and control themselves can.

On a side note and only slightly related. AA has been a plague on society preaching that we cant control ourselves and its all or nothing. Besides there are pills that have been fairly effecting in curing "alcoholism." Not that I think that is the best solution but its much better than AA.

I agree that AA is basically horrible. It was a good attempt at helping people at a time when addiction was hardly understood. The fact that is has become the standard in addiction treatment and can be court ordered is bad.

My mother struggled with alcohol addiction for most of my life. She was "recovering" much more than she was "practicing" but I don't think the all or nothing, you have zero control approach helped her much at all. When she'd fall of the wagon it was a ****ing free-for-all. I think AA encouraged her to just go from 0 to 100 the second she had a drink during recovery. I mean, she was helpless, right? No control, no ability to limit herself, completely powerless to her addiction.

The last few years of her life she started drinking again, but not in excess. It seemed, contrary to what AA had tried to beat into her head, that she could have just a few drinks and stop. I mean she had changed in many different ways, but low and behold, controlling her drinking was possible.

 

[Ron Mexico]

I get what you are saying, but consider that some can get addicted after a single drink. Genetics has an influence here that most can't understand.

I disagree with that statement. I dont think Alcohol has the ability to physically make anyone addicted after one drink. You may be in a mental state that you want to abuse something for various reasons that cause you to suffer an addiction but that is something that requires therapy and help from.

 

[franklin]

I disagree with that statement. I dont think Alcohol has the ability to physically make anyone addicted after one drink. You may be in a mental state that you want to abuse something for various reasons that cause you to suffer an addiction but that is something that requires therapy and help from.

You've never heard of a teenager becoming an addict overnight? This doesn't happen to normal people. It happens to those with addictive tendencies, and yes, it does happen. That doesn't take away from anything you're saying about the inner strength to fight for control.

 

[DutchJazzer]

I agree that AA is basically horrible. It was a good attempt at helping people at a time when addiction was hardly understood. The fact that is has become the standard in addiction treatment and can be court ordered is bad.

LOL!


that's why government should not be involved in ****!

 

[Ron Mexico]

You've never heard of a teenager becoming an addict overnight? This doesn't happen to normal people. It happens to those with addictive tendencies, and yes, it does happen. That doesn't take away from anything you're saying about the inner strength to fight for control.

Teenagers don't have a developed brain and most struggle with self control. I hear so many people tell me they don't drink because they used to be addicted and then tell me it was when they were a teenager. I would be considered a teen addict. Most teens who drink just are trying to get drunk and out of control/rebel. That mind set is going to be an issue. Then I grew up learned self control and figured out who I was and how to be happy. Some people don't get the help needed to figure their lives out and that is sad but again it's other issues leading to that. That isn't a life addiction and is something that can not be overcome.