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babe

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So there are a few people in here who might be willing to discuss ideas.

I hope for two respondents to this link, who will read the article about Helga Zepp LaRouche as reported by the Shanghai Daily. And actually talk about the ideas.....

Well, as I have never said before, perhaps if I can't beat'em I should join'em. I will call Helga a classical liberal, with big ideas for the world, which actually don't boil down to suppressing the human spirit or the human dream.....

https://www.shanghaidaily.com/opinion/chinese-perspectives/

uhhmmm.... I think this link will get you the opinion piece about Helga:

https://www.shanghaidaily.com/opini...e-and-development-among-nations/shdaily.shtml

anyways, if folks like the Rockefellers and Gates'es think they can help the world with their project to solve the population bomb and don't deserve any media attention, I figure about three humans who actually think can make more of difference than all the monetarist money-bags on the planet, combined.

Here's your chance to make a difference, if you've got the intelligence and the virtue. Yes, I am now an elitist, the highest and best of them.
 
For those who can't get the links to work:

Helga Zepp-LaRouche visited Shanghai for the first time in the summer of 1971. In 1977 she married American economist Lyndon LaRouche, and the couple have since worked together on development plans for a just new world economic order.

Zepp-LaRouche founded the Schiller Institute in 1984, a think tank devoted to the realization of these plans and a renaissance and a dialogue of classical cultures.

In 1991 she was a coauthor of a study “The Eurasian Landbridge/ The New Silk Road” and in 2014 of the study “The New Silk Road becomes the World Landbridge,” which has been translated into Chinese, Arabic, German and Korean.

She is an expert in European humanist philosophy and poetry, Confucius, and history.

After attending the recent Belt and Road Forum in Beijing, she visited Shanghai, where Shanghai Daily reporter Wan Lixin interviewed her.

Q: In what way do you think the Belt and Road initiative is significant for the world and China?

A: I think the Belt and Road initiative signifies a revolutionary move to a new epoc of civilization. The idea of having a win-win cooperation among nations is the first time that a concrete concept has been offered to overcome geopolitics.

Since geopolitics was the cause of the two world wars, I think it is a completely new paradigm of thinking where an idea proposed by one country has the national interest basically in coherence with the interests of humanity as a whole. This has never happened.

This has instilled tremendous hope among developing nations that they have the chance to overcome poverty and underdevelopment. And I think this is an initiative that will grow until all the continents are connected through infrastructure and development.

Q: What do you think are challenges confronting the world today?

A: I think the biggest challenge is that the trans-Atlantic financial system is in jeopardy, because the G7 countries did nothing after the financial crisis of 2008 to remedy the root causes of this crisis. The danger today is that we are going to have another financial crisis much worse than that of 2008.

In this light I think the financial system associated with the Belt and Road initiative like the AIIB (Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank) and similar institutions, which are focused on investment in the real economy, are an anchor.

Hopefully the Western nations will rethink their orientation of high risk speculation and eventually go back to the banking system represented by AIIB.

US President Trump announced that he will go back to the American economic system of Alexander Hamilton, and that’s potentially the kind of reform that makes the United States fit to cooperate in this new financial system.

The second challenge is naturally terrorism. This requires International cooperation, and there I think the Belt and Road could offer a lasting solution by extending the initiative to Southwest Asia, and build up the economy in that part of the world that had been destroyed by wars which were based on lies.

Why did you have to solve the problem of terrorism militarily first? You have to have an economic perspective so that people in the regions have hope for the future. So I think ending terrorism would require the Belt and Road initiative and the reconstruction of the Southwest Asia and Africa.

Q: There has been evolving perception about globalization. How do you think the Belt and Road initiative is reshaping this perception?

A: The old globalization really went entirely in one direction. First of all it made the deregulation of the markets and high risk speculation easy.

And this increased the gap between the rich and the poor in an intolerable way in many countries.

This mode of globalization is being rejected, as you can see by the Brexit and the rise of many Right-Wing movements in Europe. So this model has clearly failed.

I think the new Silk Road, the win-win cooperation as proposed by China, has developed in incredible speed in the less than four years since president Xi proposed it.

This new model of globalization is based on the common good of all participating countries. This is the more attractive form of globalization and this is why so many countries have joined it.

Q: What do you think are some of the factors that need to be considered when it comes to implementing the Belt and Road initiative across different cultures?

A: The Schiller Institute has organized hundreds of seminars and conferences on the new Silk Road for 26 years.

We have always made the point that for this new Silk Road to succeed in the tradition of the old Silk Road, which was also an exchange of ideas and cultures, not just products and technology, you have to combine economic cooperation with dialogue between cultures.

This dialogue must be on the highest level, so each culture has to present example of the best of their culture, like Confucianism, Italian renaissance, the German classical period, and present the best works of arts in music and poetry, paintings and other forms of art.

Our experience is that when people get into contact for the first time with expression of such high culture from another culture, they are surprised by its beauty.

And this beauty then opens the heart and souls of the people.

And this is the best medicine against chauvinism, xenophobia, and prejudice, and it opens the way for the love of other cultures.

This is in conformity with Confucian teaching that all activity must be combined with strengthening of love for the mankind, because without that cultural component, that new Silk Road will not flourish.

Q: What do you think such high profile events like the recent summit suggest about China’s role in world affairs?

A: I think it a great honor for me to participate in this Belt and Road Forum, and I was deeply impressed by the speech of President Xi Jinping. Among all participants I spoke with there is consensus that we are actively participating in the shaping of history.

All this means that China is right now leading the world in terms of providing the perspective for the future.

I think this has been recognized by many countries in Latin America, in Africa, in Asia, and even some European countries start to recognize it is in their best interests to ally with that initiative. So I think it has made clear that China is the only country right now that offers a positive perspective to overcome the strategic bottleneck of our present times.

Q: In the past, quest for prosperity invariably led to competition, strife, or wars. Is this avoidable?

A: Concerning the question of competition, strife and war, I think this must be replaced by joined development.

Here I would like to quote from Pope Paul VI who said that “Development is the new name for peace.”

Q: How do you think the West responds to the Belt and Road initiative?

A: The responses have been mixed, because you have those who want to stick to the old geopolitical thinking, to the status quo of their power, and to their understanding of their power position.

I think this is an outdated way of thinking.

Many think tanks of the West are still publishing reports along these lines. But there is a wind of change.

Many European countries have realized the potential of collaborating with the Belt and Road, which includes Greece, Serbia, Hungary, Slovenia, Czech Republic, Italy, Spain, Portugal, and Switzerland. So I think this tendency will increase.

Those countries which are more reserved — like Germany — will have to change. But I think German industries, particularly those middle-sized industries, are absolutely in cooperation with China in the Belt and Road initiative.

Q: Talk something about your China experience

A: I was first in Shanghai 46 years ago in 1971, after traveling on a cargo ship. Although it was not the best time to be in China, it had awaken my love for China.

The city has changed completely. Except for some buildings on the Bund, I could’n find anything in my memory. I could not think of any other countries in the planet that have seen such gigantic changes.

I think the Chinese people are much too modest. They should feel more confident about what they have accomplished. They have created the biggest miracle of the world, even bigger than the post-war German economic miracle. They should be very proud to be Chinese.

The decision by Moody’s Investors Service to cut China’s sovereign ratings is insane. In German we have a saying: People should touch their own nose first before they made a stupid criticism.

Chinese Views

I don't think I'm in the venerable CoT, so I'm off the hook.
 
For those who can't get the links to work:



I don't think I'm in the venerable CoT, so I'm off the hook.

You were my best hope. Red is number 2, actually. Franklin could make up for either of you if he wanted.

In the LaRouche view, monetarism is an evil plague spread by London-affiliated bankers and the IMF, and it is the role of the government to issue credit to the people necessary for improvements in "The Real Economy" including more efficient production of everything(Industry). Anything to make life materially better and to lift the intellect of Man. Huge water projects to make all the world's deserts productive agricultural areas, expanding the biosphere generally deemed a "good thing". Better roads, higher speed rails, canals for not only irrigation but efficient freighting. Huge outlays in the space frontier..... It would all take more people just to invent everything needed, even if the back-breaking dam work is done entirely by robots.

In the LaRouche view, the monetarist London banking clique uses geopolitical wedges to divide mankind and turn us one against the other along every possible line of conflict, including darkside intelligence agents who actually instigate and fund terrorism.

The idea of currency based on gold and silver coins or bars as measures of exchange values, with the IMF manipulating those exchange rates, has been effectively used to sack the raw resources of the third world and impoverish the less "elite" nations and peoples.

A coin or a paper "note" functions like an issuance of loan, giving the holder "credit" he/she/they can use in the marketplace. The functional meaning of "credit" is the power to act or do something, hopefully creative.

If the government gives someone a loan for a creative project with real economic value, not just "food stamps" or a gambling stake, or welfare to fill the aisles of WalMart with imbeciles buying plastic toys..., but inventions, advanced tools (robots???), gardens, or any kind of infrastructure, people will work more efficiently and be able to do stuff worthwhile.

This is the kind of productive activity Brigham Young created by issuing "tithing scrip" when the Mormons arrived in the raw unimproved valley of Salt Lake. For a while the people camped in their wagons and cleared land, dug ditches, planted and irrigated fields. They had only what they had hauled in the wagons across the plains and the Rockies.

With the credits issued, markets were created and people with trades craftsmanship created needed tools and equipment... right along with the ag production. The "credits" issued came back to "the government" (the Bisphops Tithing Office) and were re-issued to developing entrepreneurs.

Instead of sitting in their wagons wringing their hands, people went to work, mostly on their own initiative, though Brigham Young directed the settlement of many new areas throughout the West.

The basic underlying idea is that human beings are talented creative intelligent agents who will act in a rational, objective manner in doing great, not just "good", stuff if we are allowed to, if not actually assisted, by leadership that respects human potentials. Needless to say, education takes on a whole new aspect with this world view.

Humans are intrinsically better than robots because of the human attributes of imagination, choice, and joy. And love, in the abstract idea of placing a high value on humanity, a higher value than mere machines.
 
Here's another snippet from Helga, basically in appreciation of the fact that the Russian and Chinese oligarchs are liking the ideas of the Silk Road project, and other useful projects for development of the world:

" Zepp-LaRouche recounts just how dramatically different the world views the Trump Presidency, in contrast to the hysterical western mainstream media. "We have the most incredibly breathtaking situation with the consolidation of the Belt and Road initiative. *This new paradigm is now increasingly dominating the planet. *History has moved into a new phase. Since President Trump has taken important steps to join with Russia and China in the New Silk Road, he is under an unprecedented witch hunt. *With China taking the lead, we now have the practical possibility of realizing what the LaRouche movement has initiated and fought for for 50 years. *Be optimistic--We are winning!"*
 
It seems the LaRouche view is that Trump is not an isolationist, a nationalist in the sense Western media is projecting, but a creative person who is on board with actual constructive infrastructure developments.

And leaders around the world who are interested in opportunity and prosperity for their people are favorably impressed with Trump, and fully understand why the old guard monetarists are hysterically opposed to him.
 
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