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Cappy_Smurf said:
No ****e? I'd swear that was my point...............
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You can re-read them and see they are different. You phrased it was teams wanting these players so they overpay. I phrased it as teams not wanting the players so they pay to a certain amount just to **** over the team who has his RFA rights. They even put a 15% trade kicker into his contract just for lulz.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
You can re-read them and see they are different. You phrased it was teams wanting these players so they overpay. I phrased it as teams not wanting the players so they pay to a certain amount just to **** over the team who has his RFA rights. They even put a 15% trade kicker into his contract just for lulz.
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He said teams are also looking to **** Utah over.


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White Chocolate said:
He said teams are also looking to **** Utah over.


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Again, he phrased it as teams wanting to get these players. You can go back and re-read his exact words, they were all phrased around teams trying to poach players from the Jazz because we can't pay everyone.

I think it's more teams figuring out the exact ceiling to what teams want to pay, and offering that so they put team over the cap/over the LT.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Again, he phrased it as teams wanting to get these players. You can go back and re-read his exact words, they were all phrased around teams trying to poach players from the Jazz because we can't pay everyone.

I think it's more teams figuring out the exact ceiling to what teams want to pay, and offering that so they put team over the cap/over the LT.
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Well, if a team offers a player a contract I'm pretty sure they want him. There is a possibility that a team doesn't match. If you think they do it solely on ****ing with a team and messing up their books you're dumb as ****.


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White Chocolate said:
Well, if a team offers a player a contract I'm pretty sure they want him. There is a possibility that a team doesn't match. If you think they do it solely on ****ing with a team and messing up their books you're dumb as ****.


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Explain to me why that is dumb as ****? If Portland doesnt offer Crabbe that offer, then Portland gets Crabbe on a really fair price most likely. How does that benefit the Nets? Does it not potentially benefit them to hamstring another team? Could they not benefit from Portland being cap-strapped? Hell they could make a trade with Portland this draft to get on of their 3 picks partially due to the fact they helped put them deep into the LT. Brooklyn's biggest asset is cap-space, so it makes sense they **** everyone else over to help their cap-space have higher value on the market. Use your god damn brain. GM's definitely have gamesmanship.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Explain to me why that is dumb as ****? If Portland doesnt offer Crabbe that offer, then Portland gets Crabbe on a really fair price most likely. How does that benefit the Nets? Does it not potentially benefit them to hamstring another team? Could they not benefit from Portland being cap-strapped? Hell they could make a trade with Portland this draft to get on of their 3 picks partially due to the fact they helped put them deep into the LT. Brooklyn's biggest asset is cap-space, so it makes sense they **** everyone else over to help their cap-space have higher value on the market. Use your god damn brain. GM's definitely have gamesmanship.
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You are acting like teams have to match offers. Use your brain dude. How does having Crabbe on that deal help Brooklyn at all if Portland decides not to match.


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White Chocolate said:
You are acting like teams have to match offers. Use your brain dude. How does having Crabbe on that deal help Brooklyn at all if Portland decides not to match.


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These GMs have more information than we do. They probably have a decent feel for what teams may or not match just through interacting with agents.

Worst case for Brooklyn if Portland doesnt match: They have Allen Crabbe and they are still a ****ty franchise waiting until the 2019-2020 season.
 
Lmao at anyone who thinks teams offer players just to **** with other teams. There is a chance that the other team doesn't match and you're stuck with a mediocre player with a bad contract .


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Saint Cy of JFC said:
These GMs have more information than we do. They probably have a decent feel for what teams may or not match just through interacting with agents.

Worst case for Brooklyn if Portland doesnt match: They have Allen Crabbe and they are still a ****ty franchise waiting until the 2019-2020 season.
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Having Allen Crabbe puts a good dent into their cap-space. And he isn't a great player. There is plenty of risk involved.


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White Chocolate said:
Having Allen Crabbe puts a good dent into their cap-space. And he isn't a great player. There is plenty of risk involved.


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Yeah there is risk. Just because risk exist doesnt mean it's not a possibility. The Nets have no RFA's to pay that they need to keep, so might as well **** everyone else over. The worst case is you have an over-paid Crabbe on a timeline of payment that interferes no way in your ability to do anything.
 
White Chocolate said:
Having Allen Crabbe puts a good dent into their cap-space. And he isn't a great player. There is plenty of risk involved.


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Explain to me the risk. Please.

Brooklyn has a ton of cap-space but no top FA wants to sign with them. They have no upcoming big time RFA they need to pay. They are in limbo until 2019-2020. Getting stuck with Crabbe in no way limits anything they have any possibility of doing. Use your small brain to think.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Yeah there is risk. Just because risk exist doesnt mean it's not a possibility. The Nets have no RFA's to pay that they need to keep, so might as well **** everyone else over. The worst case is you have an over-paid Crabbe on a timeline of payment that interferes no way in your ability to do anything.
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Yeah, you're right. Having $9M salary cap space instead of $27M doesn't interfere in any way. Dumb as ****. You just like to argue.


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White Chocolate said:
Cy admits that there is risk and then proceeds to ask me to explain the risk like there isn't any.

LMAO


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Good lord

A team like the Jazz and Portland are trying to build long-term playoff teams and contenders. Their salary is very important to them. There is a lot of risk involved in bad contracts.

Brooklyn is a ****ty team who knows they are ****ty. They are just trying to get draft picks and change their culture until they can get back to having their picks (2019). Getting stuck with a bad contract is less of a risk to them the it would be for other teams.

I just want you to explain what value Brooklyn has in it's cap-space if they are in no position to make the playoffs or sign high impact UFA? If they cant do that, then their cap-space is less valuable as it pertains to signing players and more valuable as it pertains to driving up the price for other players, to hamstring other teams.
 
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