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Rondo Trade?

LoPo said:
If we wanted Rondo, no thanks.

If Chicago wants Burks, sure.

But this trade is similar to saying: hey Houston, we have space and a nonguaranteed, will you please let us take Ryan Anderson? C'mon man

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It's literally nothing like that. They are most likely going to cut Rondo before July 1st. If they like Burks, they can get Burks for free.

And I completely accept the premise of the Bulls wanting Burks is far-fetched. But who knows? They wanted Kris Dunn after having one of the worst rookie years from a 23 year old lottery pick ever.
 
You're right, you never know. Just highly, highly unlikely. Just remember this idea the next time you bash or insult somebody for coming up with other ideas.

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LoPo said:
You're right, you never know. Just highly, highly unlikely. Just remember this idea the next time you bash or insult somebody for coming up with other ideas.

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You must be trolling me.

The Lopo version of this trade would be Burks and the Jazz 1st rounder for Rajon Rondo and the Bulls unprotected 1st rounder in 2018.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Rondo has out shot Rubio from 3 by quite a bit the last three years. Rubio shot 30% to Rondos 37%.

Based on the playoffs this year when Rondo was engaged I would say Rondo is a much much better defender. Maybe you dont get an engaged Rondo but he has really turned it around.

I would agree they are around the same level of facilitator. I might even give a slight edge to Rubio right now for his creativity.

Although how Rubio responds to playoffs is still a question mark since he has never played in them. Rondo has a large edge in experience in the playoffs and winning.

Chicago also loved his leadership, professionalism and mentoring of the young players this year. That fits well with what the Jazz are doing.

I think Hill is a better all around player but his contract amount and the number of years he wants is concerning along with his nagging toe injury that may or may not heal up properly.
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1) For shooting, it's better to use TS%. And for reference, Rubio had 2 months under 50%, Rondo had 2 months over 50%.

2) Rubio has been an elite on ball defender for several years now. That's nice that Rondo did well in one series this year. At his age, I'm going to trust the last couple of years for him.

3) If we're going to use a playoff series as a sample size, then post LaVine injury, Rubio shot 42/36/91. He's still only 26. Not improbable that he could be improving his shooting.
 
JustTheTip said:
1) For shooting, it's better to use TS%. And for reference, Rubio had 2 months under 50%, Rondo had 2 months over 50%.

2) Rubio has been an elite on ball defender for several years now. That's nice that Rondo did well in one series this year. At his age, I'm going to trust the last couple of years for him.

3) If we're going to use a playoff series as a sample size, then post LaVine injury, Rubio shot 42/36/91. He's still only 26. Not improbable that he could be improving his shooting.
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Ts% is not a better factor for 3 point shooting nor ability to stretch the floor. Maybe for overall shooting on the court. Rubio sucks at shooting beyond the three point line for his entire career. Maybe that will change going forward but that is a big risk.

Also maybe Rondo goes downhill but outside of two seasons where he wasn't trying he has been one of the best PG defenders for his entire career including this entire season and including the playoffs this year.
 
Additionally my preference of Rondo over Rubio stems from the fact that I believe Exum will be better than either of them this year or within a couple years. Rondo has been touted as a good mentor and I think his age and maturity is more useful than Rubios. Rubio does match up age wise well with the core and maybe could improve with them but I prefer rolling with Exum as our future. I view either as a stop Gap.
 
Let's do Cy's Rondo trade, a Kevin Love trade, and then a Beverly trade.
 
The only other possible Burks trade would be to Sacramento for a carton of cigarettes, but I don't think Vlade would part with the cigarettes.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Additionally my preference of Rondo over Rubio stems from the fact that I believe Exum will be better than either of them this year or within a couple years. Rondo has been touted as a good mentor and I think his age and maturity is more useful than Rubios. Rubio does match up age wise well with the core and maybe could improve with them but I prefer rolling with Exum as our future. I view either as a stop Gap.
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When has Rondo been a good mentor? When he gave up on two consecutive teams?
 
Ron Mexico said:
Ts% is not a better factor for 3 point shooting nor ability to stretch the floor. Maybe for overall shooting on the court. Rubio sucks at shooting beyond the three point line for his entire career. Maybe that will change going forward but that is a big risk.

Also maybe Rondo goes downhill but outside of two seasons where he wasn't trying he has been one of the best PG defenders for his entire career including this entire season and including the playoffs this year.
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Like I said, you want to use a playoff series as proof Rondo can defend again, but using a post LaVine injury for Rubio's shooting, where his usage rate INCREASED, apparently means nothing. It's just faulty logic.
 
I really like Rubio but not for the Jazz. I think his shooting this year was just a hot 6-7 weeks and i don't see that being sustainable. It's a must to dump Burks given who we drafted.

And we just need to bit the bullet and pay George Hill if that secures Gordon. Trim the deadweight like Boris, Burks and then work on the young guys developing over the next 3-4 years.
 
JustTheTip said:
When has Rondo been a good mentor? When he gave up on two consecutive teams?
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The last two years. Especially in Chicago. I posted some quotes about it above. Kids grow up and it looks like Rondo has. Chicago has raved about him all season and his mentorship and positive influence on the younger players. He even stuck up for the younger players when Wade was bashing on them.
 
JustTheTip said:
Like I said, you want to use a playoff series as proof Rondo can defend again, but using a post LaVine injury for Rubio's shooting, where his usage rate INCREASED, apparently means nothing. It's just faulty logic.
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No, I used all of his career as an example of good defense except for two seasons when he was frustrated at mailed it in. Rondo was solid on defense all season, in the playoffs and last season as well.

I also said he was solid in the playoffs but that is not all I said.
 
DownUnder said:
I really like Rubio but not for the Jazz. I think his shooting this year was just a hot 6-7 weeks and i don't see that being sustainable. It's a must to dump Burks given who we drafted.

And we just need to bit the bullet and pay George Hill if that secures Gordon. Trim the deadweight like Boris, Burks and then work on the young guys developing over the next 3-4 years.
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I agree with most of that except that we need to dump Burks. If we don't have room then sure, but Burks contact is not preventing us from re-signing Hill or anyone else right now. Might as well let him play and see if he can improve his worth or at least keep him until he is an expiring contract instead of giving up assets to dump him.

Also let the rookie beat him out for minutes.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Can you honestly not read? There is clearly a part that says we would waive Rondo after trading for him.
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My Quotes: "Alec Burks? How about a couple of second rate point guards?"
"How many point guards do we need on this team? At least Burks can play two positions and three in a pinch."

Dude do you have a problem with reading comprehension? I proposed unloading point guards as opposed to unloading Burks. Did you even watch the draft or hear about Teodosic? Gotta say I'm not overly impressed with your tirades, what are you like five years old?
 
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Release the Kraken said:
My Quotes: "Alec Burks? How about a couple of second rate point guards?"
"How many point guards do we need on this team? At least Burks can play two positions and three in a pinch."

Dude do you have a problem with reading comprehension? I proposed unloading point guards as opposed to unloading Burks. Did you even watch the draft or hear about Teodosic? Gotta say I'm not overly impressed with your tirades, what are you like five years old?
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We only have 2 PGs on the roster and they currently cost 6 million combined.....

Who are we going to unload? Neto and save 1.5 million? I think you fail to comprehehnd the reason behind the trade. It's not a roster spot, it's cap space.

And yes, your vague questions were confusing as **** and made, and continue to make, no sense.
 
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