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fgcamel said:
I'm not saying they aren't competitive. But I think there is a big distinction between the type of guy who will take an easier route to try and achieve their goal, and those that want to stick with the harder road because they know it will mean more, and they thrive on proving people wrong.

I guess some people might see a championship as the ultimate goal, whatever way it comes. While others appreciate that not all championships are equal.
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So KD should’ve stayed in OKC? When people are this rich all they want is a ring. I give Hayward credit for not milking Jazz for a 5 year max and be just comfortable
 
karl malone said:
In the end, I think it was Hayward's relationship with Stevens that was the deciding factor. Allowing CHA to cause him to receive the opt-out was obviously a factor but, as great as QS is, IMO DL's biggest mistake to date is not hiring BS (not to take away from everything QS has accomplished).

As long as Hayward hadn't made up his mind prior to the trade deadline & failed to communicate this to the FO, as much as it hurts, I can't fault him for doing what he feels is best for his career/family.

That being said...although this is obviously a significant setback, it is by no means a deathblow to our long-term ability to contend. It undoubtedly makes the road longer & more difficult, but we are still a talented roster with a franchise Center, young talent, & veteran leadership (+ a good coach/GM + all of our future 1st's).

The silver lining in this could be the freedom/flexibity DL will now have in roster construction moving forward, as he has had to operate in a manner most conducive to retaining Hayward over the last couple of off-seasons.

I was always somewhat skeptical of our ability to eventually add that necessary 3rd piece & DL now has the option to adjust his approach. My only concern is that due to the acquisition/re-signing of Rubio/Ingles + presence of JJ, the FO will opt to patchwork our current roster rather than attempting a semi/full rebuild (trading Gobert-which I think you now have to at least consider for a king's ransom).

With the right approach & some luck, this team still has a very bright future &, while the odds have decreased significantly, a shot at eventually contending...thanks to Gobert (whether we build or around him or trade him) + (maybe/hopefully) Mitchell, Exum, Hood to a lesser extent. It sucks but all is not lost.
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Correction:
The mistake was not hiring BS as coach that time as BS was already in contract with Celtics.
The mistake was not letting go Corbin earlier so they could have hired BS.
 
DasAuto said:
I became a jazz fan in 1995, as I was 10 years old. A year later, as my face was full of acne, I experienced the joy of them being in finals. All my friends here in Germany were on Bulls/Jordan bandwagon and I was a kind of a outsider but it made me feel special. I loved the humble approach of Stockton and Malone and the Jazz franchise. I remember; while watching the last seconds of a finals game, I couldn't leave TV and missed my subway to school and even my mom was shaking her head my dad said "ok, I pay for the taxi". I remember the day NBA league pass was made available in Germany and I worked extra hours after University to afford it. I remember how I choose my classes at the latest hours possible, because I stood awake till morning to watch Jazz. In 2009, my company send me to Las Vegas for a convention, it was first time for me in the USA and even the convention last just for 5 days, all I hope was that jazz pass Lakers in playoffs so I can fly to Salt Lake and see a Jazz game, after the convention.(Jazz lost 4-1, so no Jazz game for me). 3 years later I was send to San Diego for training. This was my chance! 2 months in USA during NBA Season, so I should be able to see a Jazz game right? But my schedule was so packed and in these 2 months I just had a week of free time. Other europeans in the training flew to San Francisco, New York.., some even flew back to Europe! They couldn't understand why I was desperately trying to go to Salt Lake City. Jazz were on a road trip but I had a plan. Then there was an option. Jazz were playing in LA agains Lakers. I went to LA for a day and my dream came true. To this day it was my only Jazz Game. No-one even understand why I did not stayed there longer and didn't go to Hollywood, sightseeing etc. But I did not care. All I wanted from LA was seeing my Jazz, the team, that my dad agreed to pay for taxi, even though he wasn't sure if the people from the bank would knock on our door at the end of the month. All I want to say; Jazz will, of course loose players and sign other players. I will cheer for those, who are there(I cheered for Raul Lopez!) If Hayward wants to leave, its ok. I identify my self with Jazz, it is a part of me, it is part of my growing up. I feel Hayward disrespected the Jazz with the way he left and I will boo him if he plays against us,even through a monitor and just by myself. GO JAZZ! (sorry for my bad English)
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Great story. There's ups and downs as fans always, but I wouldn't trade being a Jazz fan for anything!
 
green said:
If we drafted better, he's still here. If we made better trades, he's still here. If we signed him to a max deal, he's still here.
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You know none of this as if it's a fact.
He might have wanted to go to boston and his one and only true love Stevens no matter what the jazz did.
 
Maybe we were screwed the moment Hayward rushed and married a child bride. That should have let us know we weren't dealing with a rational being.
 
green said:
Boston is better. Better organization, better city, after endorsements come in, better money.
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You should go be with them
 
fishonjazz said:
You know none of this as if it's a fact.
He might have wanted to go to boston and his one and only true love Stevens no matter what the jazz did.
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I bet if Stevens doesn't like his wife he'll end up getting a divorce.
 
Could it be that Rudy's emergence as the soul of the team, and that fans are loving Rudy more is the reason he left?

It could be those letters from kids saying their teacher is in love with Gordon.

Hahaha don't mind me ... decompressing from the disappointment.

Alright .. moving on now.
 
ijazz said:
So KD should’ve stayed in OKC? When people are this rich all they want is a ring. I give Hayward credit for not milking Jazz for a 5 year max and be just comfortable
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I'm not saying what they did was right or wrong. I'm just saying that from how I perceive them as people, it doesn't surprise me that KD/Hayward would leave for the better team, while Gobert/Westbrook would stay.
 
from a distance it seems to me that the Jazz organization and DL have done a terrific job at building the franchise and team, and that it seems pretty clear he always knew he was going to leave because of his bromance with Stevens and / not wanting to be in Utah. The way it's been done seems to indicate partially out of holding grudges about earlier dealings ?? Cannot fault the Jazz at all, he's walking away from a 50-60 win team, and one that was set up for a sustained run at success.

Very interesting to hear DL speak about this eventually. He's been played
 
NAOS said:
Maybe we were screwed the moment Hayward rushed and married a child bride. That should have let us know we weren't dealing with a rational being.
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I do not blame him in the slightest for putting a ring on that immediately.
 
If anyone has a spare Molotov cocktail and can give me a ride to GH's house.. tonight is the perfect night to make it look like a stray bottle rocket.
 
DownUnder said:
from a distance it seems to me that the Jazz organization and DL have done a terrific job at building the franchise and team, and that it seems pretty clear he always knew he was going to leave because of his bromance with Stevens and / not wanting to be in Utah. The way it's been done seems to indicate partially out of holding grudges about earlier dealings ?? Cannot fault the Jazz at all, he's walking away from a 50-60 win team, and one that was set up for a sustained run at success.

Very interesting to hear DL speak about this eventually. He's been played
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Link? Would want to hear this
 
DownUnder said:
from a distance it seems to me that the Jazz organization and DL have done a terrific job at building the franchise and team, and that it seems pretty clear he always knew he was going to leave because of his bromance with Stevens and / not wanting to be in Utah. The way it's been done seems to indicate partially out of holding grudges about earlier dealings ?? Cannot fault the Jazz at all, he's walking away from a 50-60 win team, and one that was set up for a sustained run at success.

Very interesting to hear DL speak about this eventually. He's been played
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I am very skeptical about him being pissed about the MAX deal not being offered. If he is then he is childish but it wouldn't explain why he left so much money on the table. I don't think it was about that. I think GOrdie wants more attention something he won't get in Utah. He wants more all-star games. He will get that but he won't get a championship team in Boston.
 
All I gotta say is I'm more upset at this then with DWILL and we all know what happened to dwil after he left utah...last good thing he was playing for the cavs as a back up..lol look at what u went for. It will be interesting to watch boston just for my hate. I'm jaded as a fan you didn't pick us... you picked them. Decision for my family...No you think your going for a championship shot...lol have fun playing with Isiah Thomas. You will not be who the play is drawn up for...

Yeah I think DL and Jazz will keep cards to the vest and be professional about it. But i want to see behind and see them hate the SOB for a bit.
 
Why do players who decide to leave a franchise think saying thank you to the fans means anything? Geez, you must think we care what you think now? We don't!!!
 
cowhide said:
Why do players who decide to leave a franchise think saying thank you to the fans means anything? Geez, you must think we care what you think now? We don't!!!
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I felt it was more of a thank you to the guys on the Jazz staff who worked with and helped him develop as a player. And then he goes and leaves them in the lurch after all the time they invested in him. Nice way to thank someone.
 
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