if only we could be so lucky to hear that from our employer
Hayward to Boston
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if only we could be so lucky to hear that from our employer
I just want to see the Jazz bounce back from this. This is the dream I have- Add another stud in trade or FA in the next couple of years. Watch Mitchell as he develops into a star. 3 or 4 years down the road the Jazz meet up with Boston in the Finals. Mitchell locks up Hayward. Rudy absolutely feasts on the C's and he leads the Jazz to the championship in dominant fashion winning Finals MVP. Hayward never wins a ring and realizes how badly he f***** up.
LoPo
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Somebody needs to close all this whining threads. Its over. Move on.
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Enjoy the ****ty weather. Enjoy your fellow Lilly white *** racist neighbors Boston is the most racist city in USA no wonder Gordon went there. Enjoy losing to Philly an Milwaukee after Cleveland declines.
Enjoy less money. Enjoy being third fiddle an knowing you could not live up to the pressure as the number one guy. Other words enjoy not trying to be a leader. Enjoy Rudy demoralizing your ***. Fans enjoy the wait.
Enjoy less money. Enjoy being third fiddle an knowing you could not live up to the pressure as the number one guy. Other words enjoy not trying to be a leader. Enjoy Rudy demoralizing your ***. Fans enjoy the wait.
People aren't whining. They're expressing their emotions. It's part of being a fan. If you're over it that's cool. But it doesn't mean other people have to be.
enchilada_style
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I just want to watch a good product on the court I don't really care if that includes Gordon or not. In relationship terms, I think I was only in it for the sex.
Maybe. But Woj is Woj because he never puts out bad info. Assuming Bartlestein didn't tell him the whole story I bet Woj is pissed to have been used like this.
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I tend to think it was much more due to his relationship with Stevens that led to this, and that Gordon was planning to jump ship as soon as Stevens became coach of the Celtics. Read his f'd up article, where he lauds how much the Jazz have meant to his development and his career, and then betrays them because of his connection to Stevens.
Mission Accomplished
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Can I ask all the Gordon Hayward fans to leave now?? This is a Jazz forum we need to rid this place of the filth that has been collecting during the Hayward era. Can we also rid the market of the Hayward media members like the David Lockes of the world that were giving Gordon sloppy kisses everyday. Can we remove the Stayward signs and those of us who didn't want Hayward can we get some type of refund? For having to clean up the drool of the fans that couldn't get enough of this guy.
Actually, Locke's podcast this morning was fairly critical of Hayward.
Jazz Traveler
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I never listen to Locke's podcast, wish they had some type of description or synopsis of key points I could read instead.
Hey guys I am a Boston Celtics fan and I felt the need to give you a view from my perspective after seeing the level of hate that Hayward is receiving. I want to lead this by saying that I think this entire situation is unfortunate for Jazz fans and that my initial reaction would be to bash Hayward too. Free agency is one of the most exciting things in sports but it's also a double edged sword when a great player leaves a model organization. To be completely honest I enjoyed watching the Jazz more than any other Western Conference team last year. Your team plays the game the right way and it was very easy to enjoy the the gritty mentality that Snyder instilled from top to bottom. Game 1 against the LA Clippers is a perfect example of this. I wish your franchise nothing but the best and I hope Gobert develops into a legitimate top tier Superstar. I also want to add that I don't think the Joe Ingles contact is bad for the franchise. Any contending team would be happy to have a player like him.
Anyways I am not coming on here to try and tell everyone not to be angry or agitated with how everything was handled. I simply feel the need to counter with an argument as to why Gordon didn't take an easy road like Durant or LeBron. I have seen this sentiment echoed quite a bit and I think it is a lazy narrative. We obviously know the Stevens factor was important but I also believe that our long term flexibility with draft picks and young talent was the difference maker. Gordon Hayward is clearly not coming to a team that is ready to win a title yet and we don't even a top 10 player on our roster. IT was amazing last season but he's not going to be a perennial top 10 player. Al Horford is a fringe All-Star and probably has two prime years remaining at most. The Celtics needed to sell Gordon on the process of being part of a team that could build itself into a title contender 2 or 3 years down the road. It's easy to hate us right now but our current roster is full of guys that play with a chip on their shoulder. If our team flipped rosters and coaches I am pretty confident in saying that Jazz fans would love their team.
I honestly believe that if your team had our Brooklyn 2018 pick and LA 2018(2-5) then you would have been able to bring him back. I have also seen a lot of people claim that Ainge will use Hayward for 3 years and then bail on him once Tatum + Jaylen hit their prime years. This couldn't be further from the truth. The future development of Tatum and Brown were definitely used as a selling point for Gordon to join us. Continuity is one of the most important priorities for both Stevens and Ainge. Any team that wants to dethrone Golden State in the future is going to need multiple wing players that can play multiple positions at an All-Star level.
I have a lot more I could say but I will stop here. Like I said before, I really hope the Jazz rebound quickly and that this is nothing more than a minor setback. You guys have one of the few organizations that gets it.
Anyways I am not coming on here to try and tell everyone not to be angry or agitated with how everything was handled. I simply feel the need to counter with an argument as to why Gordon didn't take an easy road like Durant or LeBron. I have seen this sentiment echoed quite a bit and I think it is a lazy narrative. We obviously know the Stevens factor was important but I also believe that our long term flexibility with draft picks and young talent was the difference maker. Gordon Hayward is clearly not coming to a team that is ready to win a title yet and we don't even a top 10 player on our roster. IT was amazing last season but he's not going to be a perennial top 10 player. Al Horford is a fringe All-Star and probably has two prime years remaining at most. The Celtics needed to sell Gordon on the process of being part of a team that could build itself into a title contender 2 or 3 years down the road. It's easy to hate us right now but our current roster is full of guys that play with a chip on their shoulder. If our team flipped rosters and coaches I am pretty confident in saying that Jazz fans would love their team.
I honestly believe that if your team had our Brooklyn 2018 pick and LA 2018(2-5) then you would have been able to bring him back. I have also seen a lot of people claim that Ainge will use Hayward for 3 years and then bail on him once Tatum + Jaylen hit their prime years. This couldn't be further from the truth. The future development of Tatum and Brown were definitely used as a selling point for Gordon to join us. Continuity is one of the most important priorities for both Stevens and Ainge. Any team that wants to dethrone Golden State in the future is going to need multiple wing players that can play multiple positions at an All-Star level.
I have a lot more I could say but I will stop here. Like I said before, I really hope the Jazz rebound quickly and that this is nothing more than a minor setback. You guys have one of the few organizations that gets it.
candrew
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Agreed - Locke definitely implied that Hayward lied to Jazz management.
Also a distinct tone of betrayal in his voice when talking about G-Time.
And Locke being Locke, you can pretty much bet he's reflecting the tone of the Jazz FO.
Absurd. Would you be excited to hear that your company is set to bring in a bunch of new employees that might be better than you and will be paid way less money?
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I agree with most of this. I'm really jealous of the assists Boston has and for that reason, don't take this personally, **** you. (Just kidding. Kinda. Too soon, still stings)
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I've said it before,Stevens runs more Sloan sets (with slight modifications for more 3s than midrange jumpers) than any other team in the league. Their offensive movement allows them to overachieve. I truly believe that Hayward will fit perfectly in this system.
I actually watched a ton of Boston games last year. They were my second favorite team in the league. Now they can **** off and die.
I completely get it man. Your team will ultimately figure this out down the road. The defense will continue to be elite and I'm sure the team culture will remain intact. My biggest question for Jazz fans is regarding Rodney Hood. I know he was inconsistent this season but do you think he has the ability to be an efficient scorer on a higher volume of shots?
MoTappin
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Sure our first impulse is to hate on Hayward. Glad you understand that. Put yourself in our position. You draft a guy (among a chorus of boos, mind you) and believe in him enough to give him 7 (SEVEN) years of investment and development. Sure, Hayward worked hard too. I get that. We saw it and appreciated it. But the Jazz formed a team around him. They paid him big money well before he was actually worth it, because they had faith that he'd turn into the player he is. To his credit, he did that. But our front office did everything they could do to make their case. Rubio flew in from SPAIN to attend a 3 hour meeting. Rudy Robert was there. Rodney Hood was there. And Hayward said no. No to a 5th year. No to more money. No to building a legacy where he'd likely have his own statue in front of the arena, next to the likes of two guys named Stockton and Malone. You don't say no to that unless you just pain old don't want to stay. And after everything, that really hurts.
We loved the guy. We believed in him. We were INCREDIBLY PATIENT through wet willies, a host of bad games and critically-timed disappearing acts (which he still does, by the way). We saw him go from a skinny kid to a grown man with a family. We made him part of our collective family here in Utah, and the way he left was a major disappointment. We aren't that dumb. We felt he was going to leave, and that he knew it long before he let us know. Still, we fans financed billboards. We put up homemade signs on freeway overpasses. We hash-tagged everything with #stayward. And when the news first broke, he tried to deny the decision had been made. So we waited some more, refreshed every 30 seconds, hoped, prayed, only to get our hearts broken AGAIN by this guy...the second time coming through what feels like a very hollow "make myself feel better" blog post he'd probably been working on for days. He walked away and we're left with "now what???" because our front office was held hostage waiting for his decision.
We loved the guy, and we feel completely trashed by him. Did he do it all on purpose, just to spite the team who gave him his first shot and helped him become what he is? Probably not. But the result is the same.
♪alt13
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Nah he ran away from Kevin Durant, Kawhi Leonard, Draymond Green, Pual George and Jimmy Butler who were going to knock him off the All star pedestal. He took the easy road, to say otherwise is silly.