Is Obama a Natural Born US Citizen?

[AtheistPreacher]

I liked John Scalzi's blog post on this:

Obama’s Birth Certificate: It’s times like these that one has to make a conscious act of will to remember that in fact Americans are not getting stupider, they’ve always believed idiotic things about the politicians they hate. Believing that Obama was not born in the US long ago got placed on my list of Things That Suggest You May Be a Willful Moron, along with believing in horoscopes, being against immunizations, arguing against evolution and thinking 9/11 was an inside job (note: this is not a complete list), so it’s not entirely surprising to me that the President releasing the long-form birth certificate doesn’t satisfy the birthers at all. Morons can’t help being morons; most of them like being morons. Also, there’s money (and/or votes) to be had continuing to argue to other morons that you’re right in the face of all reasonable evidence.

The best you can say about it is that if you ever believed Obama was not a US citizen, you might have been a moron, but if you still believe it, well, now you’re definitely an ultra moron. So well done you. Honestly, people who are unhappy with the president have lots of genuine and legitimate reasons to be be unhappy with him. Focusing on his birth just indicates your inherent ridiculousness and unseriousness.

 

[Agoxlea]

Sigh. Okay, I'll try again.


It's possible to read this as saying that Hitler was in Australia at some point in time - and yes, I know that isn't what he meant, it's just a quirk of the English language, and his choice of words and sentence structure. Hence my attempt at a humorous quip that Hitler wasn't Australian but Austrian. So ignore that bit, if that made you think I didn't understand what you wrote.

However, on a serious note, you appear to be making a temporal relationship between Hitler and the course of European/Indigenous relations in Australia, and implying some sort of causal relationship as well. I do not agree in any way shape or form with this assertion, if this is what you are saying. As I said, you can certainly draw parallels between the early settlers' attitude that the continent was "uninhabited", and the shooting of/driving out of natives living in areas wanted as pastoral land or other settlement, and Hitler's writings about "Lebensraum". I can also see a parallel between the Nazi practice of abducting children of Aryan appearance from occupied Poland and placing them with German families, and the Australian practice of taking Indigenous children away from their parents and placing them with white families (a practice begun in the 19th Century and not ended until 1969) - although the Australian practice was far more sinister in its motives (genocide by "breeding-out" being amongst them). And then there is the actual genocide of the Tasmanian Aborigines. And so on. However, if you are saying that Hitler's ideas were neither new or unique, but were actually espoused and even practiced by others, and the history of Australian settlement is evidence of this, then you are correct.

Now I'm starting to wonder if I understood NAOS correctly. I though he was saying that his students think that Hitler was so unbelievably terrible that nothing like that could every happen again, but then after he teaches his students about Hitler he teaches them about Australia to show that historically our memories are short and we often repeat our mistakes. Is that also wrong?

 

[freakazoid]

Now I'm starting to wonder if I understood NAOS correctly. I though he was saying that his students think that Hitler was so unbelievably terrible that nothing like that could every happen again, but then after he teaches his students about Hitler he teaches them about Australia to show that historically our memories are short and we often repeat our mistakes. Is that also wrong?

Don't be silly. Hitler was in Austria, not Australia. Those are two different states, and Kentucky separates them. It's just not possible.

Besides, nothing like that ever happened in the south.

 

[Agoxlea]

Don't be silly. Hitler was in Austria, not Australia. Those are two different states, and Kentucky separates them. It's just not possible.

Besides, nothing like that ever happened in the south.

If intentional the Austria/Australia joke was funnier the first time. I also never said Hitler had anything to do with Australia. It is the comparison of Hitler to the events that happened later, sans Hitler, in Australia that show that we suck at learning from our mistakes. This, I think, is why NAOS teaches these one after another. To show history repeats itself.

 

[Agoxlea]

Don't be silly. Hitler was in Austria, not Australia. Those are two different states, and Kentucky separates them. It's just not possible.

Besides, nothing like that ever happened in the south.

Also everyone knows Kentucky isn't a state. It's a province of the Islamist State of the Midwest that is under Sharia law because we irresponsibly ignored that threat within our borders.

 

[freakazoid]

Also everyone knows Kentucky isn't a state. It's a province of the Islamist State of the Midwest that is under Sharia law because we irresponsibly ignored that threat within our borders.

My bad. I meant Alabama.

 

[moevillini]

in other news, that is probably completely unrelated to Obama's U.S. citizenship issues, but perhaps there's a connection, who knows? - - it seems that Superman has decided to give up his U.S. citizenship.

He probably didn't want to have to deal with questions from Trump about his birth certificate.

https://www.npr.org/2011/04/28/135797875/superman-gives-up-his-u-s-citizenship

 

[One Brow]

However, if you are saying that Hitler's ideas were neither new or unique, but were actually espoused and even practiced by others, and the history of Australian settlement is evidence of this, then you are correct.

This is exactly what I understood NAOS to be saying.

 

[Chad Feldheimer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9mzJhvC-8E&feature=player_embedded

Obama makes fun of Trump at the Correspondent's dinner, in which Trump is a guest.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Anyone remember the movement to have the constitution amended so that Ahnold could run? Good times.

 

[moevillini]

https://www.petitiononline.com/robnlisa/petition.html

not sure what sort of a groundswell you'd call this...
1372 signatures so far...

 

[sirkickyass]

Anyone remember the movement to have the constitution amended so that Ahnold could run? Good times.

Well obviously the Founders were Terminator fans.

 

[Mission Accomplished]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9mzJhvC-8E&feature=player_embedded

Obama makes fun of Trump at the Correspondent's dinner, in which Trump is a guest.

This was great

 

[Sloanfeld]

1. That's not a birth certificate.

2. Everything I've read online from photoshop experts indicates that it's fake.

3. Impeachment hearings should be held right away.

 

[Scat]

Not even released yet and it is currently at #2 on Amazon.com

https://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/books/ref=pd_dp_ts_b_1

How funny would it be for Amazon to pre-sell 300K copies of the book and then 24 hours prior to the book release President Obama releases his original, long form birth certificate?

LOL

https://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/jerome-corsi-birther-book-5765410

In a stunning development one day after the release of Where's the Birth Certificate? The Case that Barack Obama is not Eligible to be President, by Dr. Jerome Corsi, World Net Daily Editor and Chief Executive Officer Joseph Farah has announced plans to recall and pulp the entire 200,000 first printing run of the book, as well as announcing an offer to refund the purchase price to anyone who has already bought either a hard copy or electronic download of the book.

 

[sirkickyass]

LOL

https://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/jerome-corsi-birther-book-5765410

Would that it were true. For a brief second I thought Corsi and Farah were capable of shame.

Make that " 'reported' " this morning. Less than two hours after Mark Warren posted the story on the Esquire website, he added a disclaimer: "For those who didn't figure it out yet, and the many on Twitter for whom it took a while: We committed satire this morning to point out the problems with selling and marketing a book that has had its core premise and reason to exist gutted by the news cycle, several weeks in advance of publication. Are its author and publisher chastened? Well, no. They double down, and accuse the President of the United States of perpetrating a fraud on the world by having released a forged birth certificate. Not because this claim is in any way based on reality, but to hold their terribly gullible audience captive to their lies, and to sell books. This is despicable, and deserves only ridicule. That's why we committed satire in the matter of the Corsi book. Hell, even the president has a sense of humor about it all."

If Farah and Corsi are to be believed, they do not find this funny at all, though one may be forgiven for suspecting that they're laughing all the way to the bank. The Daily Caller reports that "Farah said he is considering 'legal options' against the magazine for posting the story":

"Let me say this very clearly: There is not a single word of that report that is true. I assume it is a very poorly executed parody. In any case, I have begun exploring our legal options, since this report has all the earmarkings of a deliberate attempt at restraint of trade, not to mention libel."
Over at WND, in a story posted before the disclaimer was added to the Esquire post, Farah lobs an accusation that is about as plausible as the book itself:

"This is an astonishingly reckless report by a company that has demonstrated its total disregard for the truth," said Farah. "I don't know who Esquire's anonymous sources are, but I can only guess that their address is 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue."
Farah surmised Esquire will claim the article is parody, but he points out that news organizations around the world were contacting him within minutes of its posting on the Internet, with some of them in doubt as to the veracity of the report.
Does WND have a case against Esquire? Color us skeptical. Farah and Corsi are public figures, so that in order to prove libel, they would need to establish not only that the material was false but that it was published with "actual malice"--defined in New York Times Co. v. Sullivan as "knowledge that it was false or . . . reckless disregard of whether it was false or not.'

A satirist, of course, knows that he is asserting falsehoods--but the expectation is that the reader will recognize them as such. In Hustler v. Falwell (1988), a pornographic magazine published an ad parody describing a televangelist having had intimate relations with his mother in an outhouse. Chief Justice William Rehnquist noted that the jury had held the parody was not libelous because it "could not 'reasonably be understood as describing actual facts about [respondent] or actual events in which [he] participated.' " (The high court heard the case because the jury held in the plaintiff's favor on another claim, for intentional infliction of emotional distress.)

Esquire would not be able to avail itself of that defense. A reasonable person could have understood its satire as a truthful report. Indeed, this columnist did just that. We read the post a few minutes before the disclaimer was appended, and when we got to the part where the satire quotes "a source at WND"--falsely, we hasten to add--as saying, "We don't want to look like [obscenity redacted] idiots," we thought: Maybe they're not as bad as we thought. (It gives us some amusement to imagine the guys at WND in court, vigorously defending the proposition that they do want to look like [obscenity redacted] idiots.)

https://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703509104576331400552386130.html

 

[Duck Rodgers]

The Amazon reviews of the book are pretty funny:

https://www.amazon.com/Wheres-Birth...sr_1_1_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=1

 

[LogGrad98]

Jerome Corsi's book "Where's the Birth Certificate?" published by WorldNetDaily (WND) Books, is the epitome of reptilian-brain politics--i.e., the manipulation of the primitive, fear-inducing parts of peoples' brains by unprincipled ideologues.

This gem came from one of the reviews on the amazon site. This could apply to all kinds of stuff written by political pundits, come to think of it.

 

[The Thriller]

Now it appears that Nero himself is abandoning Israel, our best friend in the mideast...

https://washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/2011/05/obama-abandons-israel

In his speech Thursday, the president paid lip service to Israeli security but laid down dangerous markers for restarting peace negotiations between Israelis and Palestinians. With this speech, Obama became the first American president to require that Israel accept its pre-1967 borders as a starting point to negotiations with the Palestinians.

Thoughts?

 

[Duck Rodgers]

Corsi is now claiming that not only is the new birth certificate a forgery, but he can trace it back to a specific individual in the media world that did it. Should be interesting to see if there is any bite there to match the bark.

I'll tell you what, I wasn't going to read the book, at least for a few months until it hit library shelves, but now that Obama's attack dog magazine has to commit fraud trying to get the book off the shelves, I think I'm going to plow through it this weekend. There is clearly something there that they don't like. As if we didn't know that already by them pre-empting some of the book's thunder and their silly little 'Made in America' campaign nonsense.