[Jones]BREAKING: Jazz willing to engage Celtics in S&T talks: But Gordon Hayward must agree

[NUMBERICA]

No, of course not. I believe in civility. But PC slaves aren't civil, but rather finger point and derail the discussion and posture holier than thou. That's not "kind and considerate." That's self-serving.

Shrug I think we're just fighting to fight. I never intended to start anything. People saw the word "rape" not understanding its use as a metaphor (or maybe they don't know what a metaphor is) and the discussion got derailed so people could profess their anti-rape stance. As if anyone was promoting rape in the first place.


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The precise problem is you used it as a metaphor. How do you still not understand that? I have no idea what you keep raving about or why you double down so hard about what is the lowest or at least easiest bar to hurdle I can think of.

I've shown you far more civility in these exchanges than you care to exhibit for... umm... anything?

I don't know man. I tried to not address it further, went to class, and you're still fuming about... what is it you're fuming about?

 

[NUMBERICA]

Anyway, I hope the Jazz get Jae Crowder for a good price, all things considered. No doubt Ainge is fretting over a bunch of bull ****.

 

[Coach Ellis]

Trevor Booker is oging to be on 1280 soon to talk about Gordon lol

This ought to be good. (Gets popcorn ready.)

 

[JazzForLifee]

is this happening or what.......................................

 

[karl malone]

Don't know if this has been posted already (or how credible it is)...

"The Celtics and Jazz appear to be getting closer to a sign-and-trade agreement that would involve Crowder, says Mark Murphy of The Boston Herald. According to Murphy, any deal is expected to be more than just Hayward for Crowder, since the Celtics would want something else in return, but details on assets aren’t currently known."

 

[LogGrad98]

Don't know if this has been posted already (or how credible it is)...

"The Celtics and Jazz appear to be getting closer to a sign-and-trade agreement that would involve Crowder, says Mark Murphy of The Boston Herald. According to Murphy, any deal is expected to be more than just Hayward for Crowder, since the Celtics would want something else in return, but details on assets aren’t currently known."

Punk move by Boston but they hold all the cards. We either give something else up or we get absolutely nothing. That is called a hostage situation. Ainge's son needs to call him and make some threats.

 

[slc]

So Ainge expects Jazz to S&T Hateward and a #1 pick for Crowder
Is this really what the Jazz want to do

 

[Siro]

So Ainge expects Jazz to S&T Hateward and a #1 pick for Crowder
Is this really what the Jazz want to do

Yes. Hayward is gone to the Celtics regardless, and they're not running a charity.

 

[sgjazzfan]

So Ainge expects Jazz to S&T Hateward and a #1 pick for Crowder
Is this really what the Jazz want to do

You can't really include Hayward in the picture. This would basically be a #1 pick for Crowder. Which first round pick and the protections would be what make this a good deal or not. I think a 2018 or 2019 first with at least lottery protection is well worth Jae Crowder for 3 years at 7 million per year.

 

[LogGrad98]

So Ainge expects Jazz to S&T Hateward and a #1 pick for Crowder
Is this really what the Jazz want to do

I would suspect the answer if a qualified yes. I think we are working to negotiate exactly what that pick entails, protection and all that. But would think that something, especially a truly serviceable player like Crowder, will be better than a short-term tank and gamble on the draft when we have so many decent players in their prime or soon to be there (Favors, Gobert, Hood, Ingles, etc.) already under contract. This would be the worst possible time for a rebuild unless we plan to blow the entire thing up and start from scratch. Crowder allows us to still compete now and possibly let our other guys develop a bit more (Mitchell, Hood, etc.). Hell if Burks comes back healthy and Hood can step up, this might not be all bad if we can get Crowder to plug the hole in the dike.

Thanks whoreward. I think that might be the best one yet actually. Has a nice ring to it.

 

[Coach Ellis]

So Ainge expects Jazz to S&T Hateward and a #1 pick for Crowder
Is this really what the Jazz want to do

As long as the Jazz protect any draft picks, then I think DL will give appropriate price to the Celtics. There's very little chance of them acquiring an adequate replacent for Hayward without giving more than what this will likely cost. Especially with the trade exception - that holds just as much value (if not more) as getting Crowder does. Have a feeling though that Crowder outperforms whatever price the Jazz pay to get him (especially on that contract.)

 

[The Midnight]

Both DL and Ainge are sharks in the trading area... something's gotta give here.

 

[♪alt13]

No, of course not. I believe in civility. But PC slaves aren't civil, but rather finger point and derail the discussion and posture holier than thou. That's not "kind and considerate." That's self-serving.

Shrug I think we're just fighting to fight. I never intended to start anything. People saw the word "rape" not understanding its use as a metaphor (or maybe they don't know what a metaphor is) and the discussion got derailed so people could profess their anti-rape stance. As if anyone was promoting rape in the first place.


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You are derailing the conversation. Just stfu already. We want to read about the Jazz but you keep going off on your pro dickhead tangent.

 

[Jack Strop]

Crowder is a good player, but the TPE is the real prize. Utah gets $23m they can use without having to give a player back. That may be pretty valuable at the deadline or next summer. It was certainly instrumental to have cap space to trade for Rubio.

Next year, it may be difficult to open up significant cap space, especially if Alec can't be dumped. The TPE could net us a very good asset from a team wanting to hit the reset button.

 

[The Midnight]

Crowder is a good player, but the TPE is the real prize. Utah gets $23m they can use without having to give a player back. That may be pretty valuable at the deadline or next summer. It was certainly instrumental to have cap space to trade for Rubio.

Next year, it may be difficult to open up significant cap space, especially if Alec can't be dumped. The TPE could net us a very good asset from a team wanting to hit the reset button.

This.


I would rather keep any future picks than giving up the pick for Crowder, whom I'm not sure personality wise fits with the Jazz culture. Without Hayward we could be heading for another year in the lottery (a quick stop I hope) and that pick could really come in handy as we 'reload' behind Gobert, Hood, Mitchell, etc.


If I were DL, I would just try and get the TPE and be done with it.

 

[karl malone]

I'd be very hesitant to trade a 1st unless it is heavily protected. From my understanding, this is something Hayward is pushing for...although I could be mistaken. Also, (again I'm not positive) from what I heard, there are minor financial advantages for BOS (not sure exactly how) to including Crowder in a S&T rather than moving him in a separate deal. Here's hoping we catch a break...

 

[Siro]

This.


I would rather keep any future picks than giving up the pick for Crowder, whom I'm not sure personality wise fits with the Jazz culture. Without Hayward we could be heading for another year in the lottery (a quick stop I hope) and that pick could really come in handy as we 'reload' behind Gobert, Hood, Mitchell, etc.


If I were DL, I would just try and get the TPE and be done with it.

[MENTION=840]fishonjazz[/MENTION] we need your poop emoji.

 

[Spinoza]

This.


I would rather keep any future picks than giving up the pick for Crowder, whom I'm not sure personality wise fits with the Jazz culture. Without Hayward we could be heading for another year in the lottery (a quick stop I hope) and that pick could really come in handy as we 'reload' behind Gobert, Hood, Mitchell, etc.


If I were DL, I would just try and get the TPE and be done with it.

I disagree that replacing Hill with Rubio and Hayward with Crowder makes us a lottery team. It depends on a lot of variables, but the team is still very talented with an excellent coaching staff and culture.

 

[fishonjazz]

You can't really include Hayward in the picture. This would basically be a #1 pick for Crowder. Which first round pick and the protections would be what make this a good deal or not. I think a 2018 or 2019 first with at least lottery protection is well worth Jae Crowder for 3 years at 7 million per year.

This.
I would do the trade.

 

[fishonjazz]

As long as the Jazz protect any draft picks, then I think DL will give appropriate price to the Celtics. There's very little chance of them acquiring an adequate replacent for Hayward without giving more than what this will likely cost. Especially with the trade exception - that holds just as much value (if not more) as getting Crowder does. Have a feeling though that Crowder outperforms whatever price the Jazz pay to get him (especially on that contract.)

Yep