[Jones]BREAKING: Jazz willing to engage Celtics in S&T talks: But Gordon Hayward must agree

[fishonjazz]

[MENTION=840]fishonjazz[/MENTION] we need your poop emoji.

Ya, I kinda thought that when I read it.
We will have to give up a pick for crowder and the tpe. And we should do it.

 

[♪alt13]

I don't know there was some dude in town for SL on 1280 today. He seemed to think that the Jazz have a good deal of leverage in this situation. He said DL might even be able to coax a future first out of Ainge.

 

[♪alt13]

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[Engorged On Unborn Gore]

That TPE would allow us to take on a bad contract and get paid a pick for doing so. It also might be used to facilitate a larger trade. Might be worth a pick.

 

[NAOS]

I don't know there was some dude in town for SL on 1280 today. He seemed to think that the Jazz have a good deal of leverage in this situation. He said DL might even be able to coax a future first out of Ainge.

I've suspected there's plenty of subtle and subterranean leverage in-play here.

And then there's also the obvious: Ainge can go another route and get a bigger prize for Crowder... and then lose more than that prize by shedding salary through different means.

 

[karl malone]

If we're going to trade a 1st (protected or not) for Crowder, we would essentially be commiting to attempting to remain competitive in the short-term.


(Assuming we retain our core)...

Rubio
Hood
Ingles
Crowder
Gobert

(+Exum/Mitchell/JJ/Favors/T.Bradley)

That's a solid roster & a likely #6-8 seed (although I may be underestimating the increased competitiveness of the WC).

Personally, I believe there are alternative approaches more likely (tho lengthier/riskier) to increase our potential chance to eventually contend but, despite losing a vital component to our championship aspirations, we are still in reasonably good shape moving forward.

 

[slc]

Hope Jazz do get Crowder
He will be Jazz' Draymond Green

 

[RandyForRubio]

This.


I would rather keep any future picks than giving up the pick for Crowder, whom I'm not sure personality wise fits with the Jazz culture. Without Hayward we could be heading for another year in the lottery (a quick stop I hope) and that pick could really come in handy as we 'reload' behind Gobert, Hood, Mitchell, etc.


If I were DL, I would just try and get the TPE and be done with it.

1) Crowder fits our teams culture/personality perfectly.
2) Giving up a late 1st for a starter on a good team with a cheap, multi-year contract is a no brainer.

 

[steelers6timechamps]

So Ainge expects Jazz to S&T Hateward and a #1 pick for Crowder
Is this really what the Jazz want to do

did I miss something here where did you hear that Ainge expects a #1 pick?

 

[slc]

All the reporters are saying Celtics will want picks, maybe a first

 

[Jazz4ever]

did I miss something here where did you hear that Ainge expects a #1 pick?

He doesn't want salary, what else is there?

 

[karl malone]

1) Crowder fits our teams culture/personality perfectly.
2) Giving up a late 1st for a starter on a good team with a cheap, multi-year contract is a no brainer.

Agree he is a great fit. Also agree that you give up a 1st for him (as long as it's lottery protected)...if you are commited to attempting to compete now. Do you think that's the philosophy we should be taking? Curious what the consensus is around here...

 

[MoTappin]

Agree he is a great fit. Also agree that you give up a 1st for him (as long as it's lottery protected)...if you are commited to attempting to compete now. Do you think that's the philosophy we should be taking? Curious what the consensus is around here...

I say compete now. We have Rudy. Can't waste his prime rebuilding. We have good young players to help us compete now and over the next couple years.

 

[sgjazzfan]

Agree he is a great fit. Also agree that you give up a 1st for him (as long as it's lottery protected)...if you are commited to attempting to compete now. Do you think that's the philosophy we should be taking? Curious what the consensus is around here...

I personally would like to kinda rebuild, but that went out the window with trading for Rubio and re-signing Ingles. I would love to see Exum, Mitchell, Hood, ?, Gobert starting lineup to see what we have in Hood/Exum before they need to be resigned. Likely a pretty good pick next year coming in the east as well. Trade Joe Johnson and Favors and get a young PF somehow. Trade for some contracts and get a few more picks as well.

Jazz won't do that though, so I'm all for getting Crowder to fill the minor hole at SF (JJ is backup PF to Favors). I think Jazz could be a playoff team, maybe even a 5 seed this year if healthy with improvement from Exum, consistency from Hood, and a healthy Favors (I think he could be the biggest benefactor of Rubio, I loved seeing him and Ingles work together in the playoffs).

 

[karl malone]

Adam Kaufman ✔ [MENTION=5081]Adam[/MENTION]MKaufman
Terry Rozier may be on the move, which is expected as a cap-clearing maneuver for #Celtics. (H/t @patmyers823)
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Don't know if this any implications for us but Rozier would be great tho BOS values him so I would be surprised if we acquired him without having to give up a significant asset in return.

 

[The Jazz Wonderbra]

I still think that the Jazz are in a strong position here. Boston has to get rid of a lot of guys. They get under the cap enough to actually sign Gordon. He already took a pay reduction to go to Boston so I can't imagine he wants to haggle at this point.

The issue here is straightforward. Can the Celtics trade Crowder, smart, and bradley to another team for cap space AND get something in return more than a 2nd round pick or not? I don't know what team would do that besides the Nets who would also have to cut players currently on their roster and pay them. So, I doubt that the Celtics have many options other than just tearing up 7 player's contracts and paying for them themselves above and beyond trading for a second round pick.

 

[Siro]

I still think that the Jazz are in a strong position here. Boston has to get rid of a lot of guys. They get under the cap enough to actually sign Gordon. He already took a pay reduction to go to Boston so I can't imagine he wants to haggle at this point.

The issue here is straightforward. Can the Celtics trade Crowder, smart, and bradley to another team for cap space AND get something in return more than a 2nd round pick or not? I don't know what team would do that besides the Nets who would also have to cut players currently on their roster and pay them. So, I doubt that the Celtics have many options other than just tearing up 7 player's contracts and paying for them themselves above and beyond trading for a second round pick.

I don't know why you think they need to move all three. They don't. One will suffice.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

The Jazz are definitely not in a strong position. The position they are in is wait for Boston to exhaust every other option they have and hope it works out for them. They literally cant do anything other than wait on Boston. That isn't a position of strength.

 

[kabenac]

It would be nice to see something get done before the Jazz beat the piss out of the Celtics in Summer League as Ainge's ego will no doubt be bruised.

 

[sgjazzfan]

I don't know why you think they need to move all three. They don't. One will suffice.

They really only need to move 1 guy, and need to save only about 300K in what they take back, so they could trade any one of them for a player that makes slightly less, and still be able to sign Hayward without Jazz doing a sign and trade.