Haywood just officially signed with the Celtics

[Nate505]

No, they aren't unique. But it's still Utah. That's a big hurdle to overcome. When you are a young athlete, Utah is not where you grew up dreaming of playing at.

There is so much going against players from coming here...different culture, weird drinking laws, religious people that are just...strange (Elder Hayward stuff)....

Then you toss ******* fans in top of that?

Game over man.

The Jazz can control certain things: coaches, facilities, etc. they want to be the best at what they can control.

Same goes for fans. We can only control how we act. Why not be the best? Why excuse ****ty behavior with, "well, everyone else does it"...

Be the best. Let Utah have the best facilities. The best developmental coaches and G League team. Let them have the best coaches.

And let's be the best fans. Let's make the decision so hard for these guys they can't say no. Let's have a player sit there and think, "Man, the State of Utah sucks. BUT, their facilities, their coaches, their fans are all amazing. Gobert is a star that doesn't shoot. No one else can offer me that."

Instead they think, "damn, Fisher hooked Utah up. He won them games and balled out for them and they treat him like this? And look how they treat Hayward. Utah is a weird, awful place. No thanks."

Oh please. You just posted a giant list on why another team was better. Like this factor would make any player change their mind.

"Well City X has a better history, better FO, better endorsement opportunities, better media exposure, but golly gee the fans in City Y are so classy and stuff that I'm totally going to stay here."

 

[Getting Traded]

I'm going to go out on a limb here (and probably make some enemies):

I think the thing that has really upset Jazz fans is the simple fact that Hayward left the Jazz for "greener pastures." All the outrage over the method of the decision, the delay, the lack of pressing for a sign-and trade, the supposed lies, the apparent lack of letting the Jazz brass know in an honorable way, etc., etc., are excuses we use to mask our discomfort with a decision that we know he had a right to make. Those other things reflect poorly on Hayward, but likely say much more of immaturity and poor planning in an unfamiliar situation than true moral shortcomings.

But the discomfort we feel with Hayward's decision is real and biting. To put it in terms that ijazz can perhaps understand, it's as if Hayward decided to leave Butler for Indiana University after Butler's finals loss, saying how much he respects IU's coach and would be better able to fulfill his dreams at IU.

I understand completely why players generally (including Hayward, and likely many more of the current Jazzmen than we'd like to recognize) are willing to move for what they regard as a better situation. I don't resent them for that. But those decisions (especially when the movement seems to be from the "small time" to the "big time" and not for overwhelming basketball or financial reasons) leave fans with a pain that there is no good cure for. I'm not into the lifetime grudges that many Jazz fans seem to hold, but I understand them.

I think his agent gave him bad advice. In fact, if Hay had put pressure on Boston to make a trade with the Jazz instead of Detroit, then the Celtics would've probably traded us Crowder, which actually would've been better for the Celtics because Bradley is the player they should've kept, not Crowder. I know there were salary considerations, and Ainge seems more concerned with that than having the best team. But Crowder is the odd man out with the Celts now having Hay, Tatum, and Brown at SF.

 

[framer]

Ultimately, people are telling Jazz fans that Hayward didn't owe anything to the organization, but we owe him some sort of respect for what he did here. Seriously, we don't owe Haywood a damn thing. We don't owe him an ovation when he comes back, we don't owe him respect as a player. We don't owe him more than any other player in the league.

You want to be a mercenary? Don't feel bad when you are treated like a mercenary. You want respect? Give respect. That stupid blog post wasn't respect.

 

[MattNie]

Bettter history:
Better shot at big $ endorsements: Boston

Yeah I'm not convinced that's a plus for him. You see his commercial for purple? It looked so uncomfortable it's amazingly awkward. First time I saw it I told my buddy it's proof he shouldn't leave Utah. But I really liked the commercial.

https://youtu.be/YnWJOXsBH7o

 

[yamers]

you forget...

The Jazz made hayward. not Hayward the Jazz.

Jazz will make another hayward....But i hope hes better than Hayward. B/c hayward isn't even that good.

 

[8]

Bettter history: Boston
Better FO: Boston
Better shot all All star: Boston
Better shot at all NBA: Boston
Better shot at big $ endorsements: Boston
Better talent: Boston
Better shot at getting more talent: Boston
Better coach: Wash

That's why he went to Boston it's pretty simple.

Generally, it is good to acknowledge subjectivity.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Bettter history: Boston
Better FO: Boston
Better shot all All star: Boston
Better shot at all NBA: Boston
Better shot at big $ endorsements: Boston
Better talent: Boston
Better shot at getting more talent: Boston
Better coach: Wash

That's why he went to Boston it's pretty simple.

Ehh, I think the only ones that are true there are the All-Star, history, getting more talent, and endorsements.

Al

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Look Gordon got the seven year itch and decided to have an affair with the hot secretary at the office... here is the deal... once the newness wears off he will realize she isn't the perfect woman he thought she was... and that his old lady wasn't so bad after all. Problem is it will be too late.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Look Gordon got the seven year itch and decided to have an affair with the hot secretary at the office... here is the deal... once the newness wears off he will realize she isn't the perfect woman he thought she was... and that his old lady wasn't so bad after all. Problem is it will be too late.

Doubt it. He is going to get a lot of all-stars and they are going to win a lot of games. The only way he could really regret it is if Utah goes to the Finals.

 

[fishonjazz]

Stevens makes haywoods wood hard.

That's why he went to Boston it's pretty simple.

Yep

 

[fishonjazz]

You mean the Utah team that just beat lac? Yes Utah lost their second best player but lac lost their best player.

Unless you think Hayward is better than CP3, I think you mixed up that up.

There is reasons to choose LA and maybe he chose for those reasons but there are reasons to choose Utah and one of those is a better team than the clippers right now.

Green just hates everything utah and everything jazz.

 

[Miggs]

I think it's Snyder by a wide margin. Spo having a ring has very little to do with him as a coach.

I love you bro but I'd put Quin last there and not think twice about it. He's a great coach. Top 10 coach. Maybe top 5? But Stevens is a genius. Pops says it. Lue basically said as much during the ECF. Everyone on the inner circles says it. And given the fact that he got the 1 seed with IT and Horford as perhaps his best two players speaks volumes.

Spo has rings and earned a ton of respect this past season with the job he did there. It would be tough to say Quin is a superior coach.

 

[framer]

I love you bro but I'd put Quin last there and not think twice about it. He's a great coach. Top 10 coach. Maybe top 5? But Stevens is a genius. Pops says it. Lue basically said as much during the ECF. Everyone on the inner circles says it. And given the fact that he got the 1 seed with IT and Horford as perhaps his best two players speaks volumes.

Spo has rings and earned a ton of respect this past season with the job he did there. It would be tough to say Quin is a superior coach.

I seriously respect nothing that a coach accomplishes in the Eastern conference. It is one step above summer league. Other than Lebron, the East shouldn't get any all-NBA honors either.

 

[Jack Strop]

Stevens is a very good coach and so is Spolestra. So is Quin. Can we just acknowledge all 3 teams have excellent coaches? There was a bond between Hayward and Stevens that we all underestimated. Players generally have tremendous respect for their college coaches. Hayward's is unusually strong for Stevens. He continued to seek out Brad throughout the past 7 years for advice and affirmation, even more so than his own father.

 

[Jack Strop]

Green just hates everything utah and everything jazz.

Why does green post in the Jazz forum? I don't know him, but is he a fan for another team like ncoloradojazz? Or does he just enjoy trolling?

 

[fishonjazz]

Why does green post in the Jazz forum? I don't know him, but is he a fan for another team like ncoloradojazz? Or does he just enjoy trolling?

I think he is a true jazz fan but he is just a pessimist in general and a Debbie downer.
I feel kinda bad for him.

 

[Ron Mexico]

I think he is a true jazz fan but he is just a pessimist in general and a Debbie downer.
I feel kinda bad for him.

I think he is a Jazz fan but I'm guessing he had some unresolved issues with the state of Utah. My guess is he stopped being Mormon and has some anger issues with that. I'm guessing he hasn't really experienced SLC much.

I'm also guessing he is just a negative person in general. Or maybe just gets all his negative feelings out online.

 

[infection]

I think he is a Jazz fan but I'm guessing he had some unresolved issues with the state of Utah. My guess is he stopped being Mormon and has some anger issues with that. I'm guessing he hasn't really experienced SLC much.

I'm also guessing he is just a negative person in general. Or maybe just gets all his negative feelings out online.

He's one of those self-loathing individuals who wears their distaste for their origins on their sleeve, as if it gives them points that are some kind of redeemable social currency. It allows him to distance himself from the herd, claiming greater self-awareness and insight because one dares to find fault with one's self, yet ironically the fault is never in one's self as much as it is in others. This allows one to feel more entitled to sit at the big kids' table and gain entrance into the cool kids club. Interestingly, nobody inside or outside that group gives a **** or acknowledge the perceived moral superiority, and just sees an unfortunate ******* trying to cloak their predictable negativity under the guise of 'realism.'

Oddly enough, the vast majority of this board is non-LDS, inactive LDS, ex-Mormon, post-Mormon or what have you. Many people here aren't even Mormon or from Utah. Sure, there are some eccentricities about Utah culture that many here acknowledge, and perhaps even some uncomfortable cultural conflicts, but it doesn't really seem that anyone, regardless of which side they find themselves on, considers Utah to be the ****hole that he finds it to be.

So let's allow him to bask in his self-awareness, and congratulate him on his ascent to a higher plane of thought than the redt of us bottom-feeders are capable of ever recognizing.

 

[♪alt13]

Why does green post in the Jazz forum? I don't know him, but is he a fan for another team like ncoloradojazz? Or does he just enjoy trolling?

He is a Boston newcomer whow owns a hipster solar business. He grew up a JF but is now torn. He is trying to acclimate himself to his new culture of phony liberalism and overt racism while still holding on to his roots of phony conservatism and covert racism.

Utahns tend to be uncomfortable/comfortable in Boston (and vice versa ) for all the wrong reasons.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Green is the biggest utes homer in the world.

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