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I would argue with the "consensus" part as I feel it is more like mob rule or group-think, or "get on the bus or we will run you over", otherwise spot on.

well, I think some would say that's what "consensus" is anyhow - I think the point is that they like to feel everyone is participating in the decision-making process, whether they really are or not.
 
The myth about Trump being good at business...

It is estimated that Trump is worth 3.5B dollars. Wowzerz, that's a lot of money!

But in the late 70s he was worth $100M. Had he put his money in a stock index fund he'd currently be worth $6B instead of $3.5B.

He didn't build his fortune from nothing. His father was a wealthy real estate investor who gave Trump 40M and coached him through his first deals to get him to that $100M number. From that point forward he has performed significantly worse than the market in a sector that is damn near foolproof if you've got the money to invest and can sit back and wait for the sweet deals to beg you for some of your money to get off the ground.

The ghost writer who wrote "Art of the Deal" has a pretty low opinion of Trump. Basically sees him a a sort of man-child.

I think we can all see that.



Scolding a self made One Hundred Millionaire now 3.5 billionaire for underperformance reeks of hate an desperation. [MENTION=26]Gameface[/MENTION] care to elaborate on relevance here?
 
Well.

That was fast.

Trumpcare failed last night. McConnell went to full repeal no replace today. And that's already dead.

Lol.

Are republicans tired of "winning" yet?

Even rush is speaking out against trump's tweets today of letting Obamacare die on its own. I don't understand the thinking here. Republicans currently have control of all three brahces of government. If premiums continue to increase and health care continues to become harder and harder to get, just who do republicans think will be blamed? The minority party with zero political power? Or the majority party that controls all three branches of government?

This is trump's Waterloo.

Maybe just maybe repubs will pass tax cuts. Maybe?

But this was a yewge defeat. The midterms are in a little more than a year. Congressmen are going to be analyzing whether their allegiance to trump is helping or hurting their chances of reelection. The next few months will be interesting. Especially if bombshells continue to be released on the Russian collusion.

Any predictions on whether or not the DNC will push for a single payer system in 2020?
 
Scolding a self made One Hundred Millionaire now 3.5 billionaire for underperformance reeks of hate an desperation. [MENTION=26]Gameface[/MENTION] care to elaborate on relevance here?

Bottom line, he has significantly unperformed the market. Had he put his 100,000,000 into a 401k he'd have over 6,000,000,000 today. So any of us who put money into a 401k are making a smarter investment than Trump has made over the last 40 years.
 
Bottom line, he has significantly unperformed the market. Had he put his 100,000,000 into a 401k he'd have over 6,000,000,000 today. So any of us who put money into a 401k are making a smarter investment than Trump has made over the last 40 years.

Awaiting "umad bro?" esque response.
 
Well.

That was fast.

Trumpcare failed last night. McConnell went to full repeal no replace today. And that's already dead.

Lol.

Are republicans tired of "winning" yet?

Even rush is speaking out against trump's tweets today of letting Obamacare die on its own. I don't understand the thinking here. Republicans currently have control of all three brahces of government. If premiums continue to increase and health care continues to become harder and harder to get, just who do republicans think will be blamed? The minority party with zero political power? Or the majority party that controls all three branches of government?

This is trump's Waterloo.

Maybe just maybe repubs will pass tax cuts. Maybe?

But this was a yewge defeat. The midterms are in a little more than a year. Congressmen are going to be analyzing whether their allegiance to trump is helping or hurting their chances of reelection. The next few months will be interesting. Especially if bombshells continue to be released on the Russian collusion.

Any predictions on whether or not the DNC will push for a single payer system in 2020?

I say no. I think they will be focused on other areas they feel the current president has hurt. Like the EPA, Education and foreign relations.
 
Bottom line, he has significantly unperformed the market. Had he put his 100,000,000 into a 401k he'd have over 6,000,000,000 today. So any of us who put money into a 401k are making a smarter investment than Trump has made over the last 40 years.

Still dumb think to comment on in the first place.

Did you verify his net worth at 100,000,000 how? How many jobs an tax revenue did he create along the way? What value did you add to society by funding your gains inna 401k? Nothing outside capital attributes to corporate growth, dominance, lobbyist interests, monopolies. Good job. Congrats on being a better investor then the guy CREATING JOBS stead of piggybacking the system. You rule an Trump sucks cause your percent return quota says so.

Sides, it is quite common for master investors entrepreneurs etc to loose there edge an underperform.
 
How long will it take the ACA to fail in states that expanded medicaid, and embraced the ACA to the fullest?
 
How long will it take the ACA to fail in states that expanded medicaid, and embraced the ACA to the fullest?

ACA was designed to fail as a stop gap. I'm still baffled people haven't seen this from the get go. The entire notion of Obamacare requirements + not mandating participation by insurance companies was as much of a non-starter as we've seen.

Let's hope the GOP's second phase stop gap isn't sustainable as well.
 
ACA was designed to fail as a stop gap. I'm still baffled people haven't seen this from the get go. The entire notion of Obamacare requirements + not mandating participation by insurance companies was as much of a non-starter as we've seen.

Let's hope the GOP's second phase stop gap isn't sustainable as well.


I'm not that sure it will ever get passed. The President has made intense enemies of some on the right. He sees House and Senate defections on almost everything he wants to do.

Watching him trainwreck both parties has been an interesting sight.
 
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I'm not that sure that it will ever even get passed. The President has made intense enemies of some on the right. He sees House and Senate defections on almost everything he wants to do.

Watching him trainwreck both parties has been an interesting site.

I can't disagree and yeah it's been fun watching all the discord. The Tea Party types getting angry has been icing on the liberal outcry cake.
 
ACA was designed to fail as a stop gap. I'm still baffled people haven't seen this from the get go. The entire notion of Obamacare requirements + not mandating participation by insurance companies was as much of a non-starter as we've seen.

Let's hope the GOP's second phase stop gap isn't sustainable as well.

Can you please respond again?

I don't think you actually answered the question.
 
I love listening to hannity and his stupid callers.

Today between 3:00-3:30:

For about 10-15 mins he's gone off and attacked a few of the republican senators who didn't support Trumpcare. He said, "if Susan Collins isn't going to repeal Obamacare then what's the point of having her in office?"

Oh I dunno Sean. Let's ask her constituents who overwhelmingly told her to not vote for Trumpcare because Maine has such a high number of Medicaid dependent people. Why is Sean asking for senators to commit political suicide by voting for a hugely unpopular bill?

His assistant then ranted about how republican voters need to vote out these "RINO" senators. Hilarious! Republicans cannibalizing each other.

Then he had a few callers.

Caller 1: we need to get organized! We are too principled! We are too busy playing nice with democrats. The democrats have an army of people!

Uhhhhhhh, democrats have zero control of government right now. Trumpcare has a 17 percent approval rating for a reason. Even trump described it as, "mean."

Trump whines about how republicans haven't sold this plan. Why hasn't he? Obama had 5 town hall meetings to pass Obamacare. Trump has performed zero. Why doesn't Donald sit down and have a fireside chat with America to explain how this bill would help them? Is it because he knows it sucks ***? Or is it because actually reading it would take too much effort?

And republicans? Principled? They voted for human excrement.

Caller 2: why not just pass a program that would sabotage Obamacare and then repeal it later?

Great plan. Kinda like cutting your brake line and driving your car down a slope hoping to collect insurance after you've totaled it. Genius.

Besides, if there's one thing markets hate, it's instability.

I feel bad for those who listen to Hannity and Limbaugh. The misinformation and half baked ideas they spew are hilarious to me. But downright dangerous to those who take them seriously.
 
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