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Gordon on moving to Celtics

mellow said:
For 7-years the Jazz tried to manufacture Hayward the star. It was forced and awkward, just like his game.

Allowing the Jazz freedom to move on was a gift, even if he didn't intend to give one.

Jazz were once hamstrung with AK's contract, AK was a better player with a smaller contract.
Rather than envisioning all the possible ways GH or boston could fail, I'd rather say Thank You.
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Pretty sure Gordon was the one putting in all that work over the last 10 years to become as good as he possibly could be. But yeah, Hayward as your centerpiece is a recipe for disaster. Gobert is the better player, with a bad *** attitude, leadership qualities, seems like a loyal dude who buys in, and isn't a Haywood child running from a challenge. Gobert beats Gordon in every stat that isn't box score stuffing, and he's only getting started. You'd have to be a half wit to turn your back on that.
 
Cappy_Smurf said:
So what is your prediction for Boston wins next year, in order to consider them significantly better? I wouldn't be surprised at all if they were just slightly better. We'll see, but he is coming in as the teacher's pet and there is already some resentment from at least one player with the way their fans were nobslobbing Haywood last year. I saw the interview with Jaylen Brown after they traded away Bradley, and I'd be surprised if it was just Crowder who was already bent out of shape over the situation.

Maybe it will all work out, but I reject the idea he would make ANY team significantly better. Chemistry is not always automatic, even for an ok/slightly good player like Haywood.
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I agree with you and in fact think they might be worse. They had to get rid of some dudes in order to get haywood. One of those dudes was avery bradley. Same age as haywood. Same many seasons in the nba as haywood. Not too far off haywoods production either. 16.3 point per game on good shooting percentages (really similar to haywoods %'s). Bradley averaged more rebounds (in less minutes) than haywood. Haywood was a the better passer. I think many people think that bradley is the better defender. Haywood will get around 30 million. Bradley around 8 million.
Plus the celtics lost a few other guys iirc. Plus IT might need hip surgery.

The east as whole did get worse though.
 
fishonjazz said:
I agree with you and in fact think they might be worse. They had to get rid of some dudes in order to get haywood. One of those dudes was avery bradley. Same age as haywood. Same many seasons in the nba as haywood. Not too far off haywoods production either. 16.3 point per game on good shooting percentages (really similar to haywoods %'s). Bradley averaged more rebounds (in less minutes) than haywood. Haywood was a the better passer. I think many people think that bradley is the better defender. Haywood will get around 30 million. Bradley around 8 million.
Plus the celtics lost a few other guys iirc. Plus IT might need hip surgery.

The east as whole did get worse though.
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I think Bradley is also a good locker room dude. He was the one buoying up IT during his sister's death. G-time and Morris twin make that a less galvanized locker room than last year.

I think their record is likely better as Gordon is just really good and can fit so many different things, but if IT isn't healthy and they have some locker room issues I would not be shocked. It is not HIS locker room and they have some confrontational dudes... Smart, Brown, Morris, Crowder.

Who knows, but I will hate watch them this year for sure.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I think Bradley is also a good locker room dude. He was the one buoying up IT during his sister's death. G-time and Morris twin make that a less galvanized locker room than last year.

I think their record is likely better as Gordon is just really good and can fit so many different things, but if IT isn't healthy and they have some locker room issues I would not be shocked. It is not HIS locker room and they have some confrontational dudes... Smart, Brown, Morris, Crowder.

Who knows, but I will hate watch them this year for sure.
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Ya I think that the odds are that they will be a bit better..... but there is a pretty good chance (say 30% imo) that they could be worse. Plus you have to assume that some of their youngsters improve too. Jaylen brown and Marcus smart should improve.

How was their health last year anyway? Do you know?

IT, crowder, horford, bradley etc. Did their key guys miss many games?
 
jazzman12 said:
AK never put it together on a consistent enough basis and his transcendental skills were of little use to us when he was sitting on the bench with back spasms or buckling under the weight of his contract. If you want to argue the player AK SHOULD have been vs the player who Gordon Hayward is, then you've got a healthy argument. If you want to argue the player AK actually ended up being vs Gordon Hayward, I don't think there's a GM in the league that would take AK.
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Which AK? It's unfair to say "based on who they ended up being." AK is done, Hayward is 27. AK's best couple of seasons were better than Hayward's best couple of seasons. That might change as Hayward isn't done, but AK before we drafted Williams and unnecessarily victimized him was a better player than Hayward so far.
 
fishonjazz said:
Ya I think that the odds are that they will be a bit better..... but there is a pretty good chance (say 30% imo) that they could be worse. Plus you have to assume that some of their youngsters improve too. Jaylen brown and Marcus smart should improve.

How was their health last year anyway? Do you know?

IT, crowder, horford, bradley etc. Did their key guys miss many games?
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Pretty healthy... Bradley missed 27 games and Horford missed 14... other than that the rest of the guys missed 5 or 6 games which is about what you would expect in a healthy season. I think outside of IT, Hayward, or Horford getting hurt their depth is such that they won't have much of a problem covering for an injury.
 
Yeah I think he envisioned himself as the next Larry Bird taking Boston by storm. Problem is, he's just no Larry Bird by any sense of the imagination. That dude could ball and had ice water running through his veins when it counted (too bad some just remember the later Bird, the one with the trick back that kept going out). (This guy has ice water running through his veins when it comes to loyalty only.) Wayward may be looking for an easy road to stardom but he may have bitten off more than he could chew. He's got some real ballers in Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum behind him on the depth chart. Tatum was picked by 3D as his #two ROY candidate after Summer League. Then there's the strange case of last year's starter at his position Jae Crowder who's tabbed to play the four this season. Only problem is he's more of a three AND the team just picked up Marcus Morris in the Bradley deal who's a very capable power forward. And I didn't even mention Young and Green that may or may not be back this season. Sounds like a logjam to me. Advantage Boston; Disadvantage Hayward. Good luck Opie.:rolleyes:
 
JimLes said:
Which AK? It's unfair to say "based on who they ended up being." AK is done, Hayward is 27. AK's best couple of seasons were better than Hayward's best couple of seasons. That might change as Hayward isn't done, but AK before we drafted Williams and unnecessarily victimized him was a better player than Hayward so far.
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Williams was one of the best distributors in the league during that time. Even if the Jazz handed the team over to DWill, why didn't AK thrive alongside a PG that averaged 10+ assists? Was it because he couldn't hit a jumper to save his life? Now that Gordon's career with the Jazz is officially over, I will take what Gordon gave us over what AK gave us 10 outta 10 times. With AK, we kept waiting for him to take that next step to no avail. Gordon improved every season, had minimal injuries, and worked tirelessly at improving his game. Those are 3 things AK never did.
 
I am sure Gordo will leave more than a shadow over the statutes at the Boston Globe. Shaughnessy and Ryan's skills won't hold water next to Monson's revolutionary gut flora used to disperse devastating microscopic fart minions into the atmosphere. There is a reason Salt Lake Valley smells like eggs in the winter. It's not a great body of water, but just one man's putrid windbag letting loose.
 
Hayward would have signed with the Celtics even if the West wasn't loaded, it is just a good excuse to justify himself.
 
MT Steve said:
That quote was taken way out of context. He wasn't comparing the fanbases, he was comparing the Celtics history to the Jazz history.
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True. And here's one for all y'all to put in your signatures:

Gordon Hayward would rather bask in the glory created by players of years gone by than create his own.
 
This thread is like stalking an ex on Tinder. Let it go, brahhhh.
 
UB said:
This thread is like stalking an ex on Tinder. Let it go, brahhhh.
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Ah, let people process it how they will. Because they will anyway.

Personally I'm not ticked off at Hayward anymore. I feel bad about losing a high quality player. That feeling is offset by the fact that Utah was always house, never home to him. Overall I'm excited about next season. It'll feel satisfying if Hayward slumps in Boston, if they don't do well, etc., but I expect he'll be a hard worker there like he was here.
 
MT Steve said:
My statement was that you can't knock a guy for telling the truth, not that if someone tells the truth you can't knock them for anything. Meaning there may be good reasons to be upset with Hayward, but being upset with him because he came out and told the truth isn't one of them.
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Trouble with what he did, is not that he didn't tell the truth, it was that he wasn't forthcoming with it, he hemmed and hawed because he felt guilty and didn't have the courage to just be up front and tell the Jazz he wanted to play for Boston. Maybe his agent cautioned him on that, that it would bring down the offers from other teams, like Miami. If Boston knew he wanted to play for them, would they have low balled him on his contract?
 
JimLes said:
Which AK? It's unfair to say "based on who they ended up being." AK is done, Hayward is 27. AK's best couple of seasons were better than Hayward's best couple of seasons. That might change as Hayward isn't done, but AK before we drafted Williams and unnecessarily victimized him was a better player than Hayward so far.
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Aks best season was at 22. He went down hill from there. Also so of his stats that year are probably boosted due to having a severe lack of talent and someone had to get stats. On good teams he didnt do much.

AKs best season
16.5 ppg on 44% shooting and 33.8% from three, 8.1 RPG, 3.1 APG, 1.9 SPG, 2.8 BPG and 2.8 TOV
Haywards best season:
21.9 ppg on 47% shooting and 39.8% from three, 5.4 RPG, 3.5 APG, 1.0 SPG, 0.3 BPG and 1.9 TOV

I would take what Hayward did last season over AKs best season. Not to mention that Hayward was even better in the playoffs this year than he was in the regular season. I dont know what year would be considered AKs best playoff year because he kind of sucked every playoffs. Ak averaged about 8 points on bad shooting, 4 boards a game and a couple assists. Hayward put up 24 ppg, 6 boards and 4 assits per game, that is much much better than AKs best playoffs.

Hayward is already a better player than AK at his peak. Its not really close.
 
Diamond77 said:
Hayward would have signed with the Celtics even if the West wasn't loaded, it is just a good excuse to justify himself.
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I agree. His love of Brad was too strong.
 
AK was fun as hell when he was right, but Gordon was so much more effective. Didn't have gawdy stats but just so efficient and he impacted winning in a way I don't think AK ever did.
 
Ron Mexico said:
Aks best season was at 22. He went down hill from there. Also so of his stats that year are probably boosted due to having a severe lack of talent and someone had to get stats. On good teams he didnt do much.

AKs best season
16.5 ppg on 44% shooting and 33.8% from three, 8.1 RPG, 3.1 APG, 1.9 SPG, 2.8 BPG and 2.8 TOV
Haywards best season:
21.9 ppg on 47% shooting and 39.8% from three, 5.4 RPG, 3.5 APG, 1.0 SPG, 0.3 BPG and 1.9 TOV

I would take what Hayward did last season over AKs best season. Not to mention that Hayward was even better in the playoffs this year than he was in the regular season. I dont know what year would be considered AKs best playoff year because he kind of sucked every playoffs. Ak averaged about 8 points on bad shooting, 4 boards a game and a couple assists. Hayward put up 24 ppg, 6 boards and 4 assits per game, that is much much better than AKs best playoffs.

Hayward is already a better player than AK at his peak. Its not really close.
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This is by far the most I've ever agreed with Ron Mexico.
 
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