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Bulletproof said:
You really have no idea the point I was making.

You've always been a ****ing moron when it comes to politics. It's like your sports team. You're just a ****ing liberal homer. You do far, FAR more damage to the liberal cause than some dumb *** racist.
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Actually I think his response was completely warranted. The idea that the left needs to sit down with and understand Trump supporters so they can win them back is nonsensical. We know who they are and what they believe, and I'm not going to apologize for calling them like I see them. I'm sick and tired of left wing navel gazing over hurt feelings. We shouldn't be ashamed of our convictions.

Anyone offended by the denunciation of bigotry isn't someone whose vote I want to court. Look at Charlottesville. That's the base right there. There's a reason Trump isn't calling them out for what they are, he knows he needs their support.

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The Thriller said:
Sorry, but I've never plowed my car into a crowd into a group of people. Stop with the hyperbole.

You have a large racist group led by people who all endorsed trump and are terrorizing an American city. Many have been seen on video as saluting and changing "Heil Trump!" They're protesting the removal of a statue. But that's not the reason they exist. They're racists.

What is there to understand?

What amount of pandering to their demands will satisfy them?

The mere fact that they were able to protest as much as they did without police interference shows their White privilege.
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I responded to you because you're mocking the post I made yesterday.

And do you think the car that rammed into the crowd did significant damage to the liberal cause? You're so clueless. That car killed a person, injured many others...and did nothing to harm the liberal cause.
 
Zombie said:
Actually I think his response was completely warranted. The idea that the left needs to sit down with and understand Trump supporters so they can win them back is nonsensical. We know who they are and what they believe, and I'm not going to apologize for calling them like I see them. I'm sick and tired of left wing navel gazing over hurt feelings. We shouldn't be ashamed of our convictions.

Anyone offended by the denunciation of bigotry isn't someone whose vote I want to court. Look at Charlottesville. That's the base right there. There's a reason Trump isn't calling them out for what they are, he knows he needs their support.

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Calling a racist a racist is just fine. Not the point I made at all.

Calling ALL Trump supporters racists hurts your side, hurts our democracy.
 
The Thriller said:
No one has called all trump supporters as racist.

His core supporters certainly are.
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So yeah, I'm not advocating for sitting down with ****ing White Nationalists to discuss compromises. Pull your ****ing head out of your ***.
 
Bulletproof said:
So yeah, I'm not advocating for sitting down with ****ing White Nationalists to discuss compromises. Pull your ****ing head out of your ***.
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Trump's weak *** speech today torpedoes your argument. If he wasn't afraid of offending his most ardent supporters then why did he give such a weak *** speech?

He's not afraid of flying off the handle to insult the media or major world leaders.

But call put these racist scumbags for the cockroaches they are? Suddenly he gives a weak impotent too Politically correct response.
 
Bulletproof said:
So yeah, I'm not advocating for sitting down with ****ing White Nationalists to discuss compromises. Pull your ****ing head out of your ***.
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And I'm not advocating for ignoring conservatives who are moderate. They're angry over the same issues that many liberals are angry with. The economy, health care, job security, money in politics, etc.

Trump's base is another matter.

There's no compromising with those socially inept racist cockroaches.

3 are now dead in Virginia.
 
I’d be interested in informed estimates on the percentage of Trump supporters that identify as white nationalists, neo-nazis, and Klan members. I suspect it’s a small fraction of what gets called his base. Knowing Trump supporters, who they are and what they believe, and even more importantly, why they believe, is a dense and tangled problem. A recent book, “Strangers in Their Own Land” by Arlie Russell Hochschild, offers a nuanced look at this exact subject.
 
Bulletproof said:
Calling a racist a racist is just fine. Not the point I made at all.

Calling ALL Trump supporters racists hurts your side, hurts our democracy.
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Yeah, no. Maybe last year you could make the case that support of Trump isn't the same as support for bigotry. After all that has transpired this year I just don't see how that is possible.
 
Then I'd suggest that several posters get out and start talking to some Trump supporters. Bulletproof is right here.
 
Zombie said:
I talk to Trump supporters daily. Just because they are not aware of their own bigotry doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

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And just because you label them that way doesn't make it true.

Edit: of course there are some that are. I don't doubt that. But I find this line of attack being generally applied to be intellectually lazy.
 
****ing hell!

Did you guys all miss the several dozen rants I posted during the campaign where I went on about the racist element in Trump's base? Please don't educate me on the presence of racism in Trump's campaign strategy or the fact that if you were a member of a racist organization Trump represented your great white hope. I get it.

But to tell someone that because they support Trump they are a racist? It's counterproductive.
 
Stoked said:
And just because you label them that way doesn't make it true.

Edit: of course there are some that are. I don't doubt that. But I find this line of attack being generally applied to be intellectually lazy.
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Well, for a bunch of non-bigots they seem to be pretty OK with a clearly bigoted Trump administration.

Where are all the non-bigoted Trump supporters calling for the removal of Seb Gorka and Steve Bannon from the white house?

As long as those men are in the administration, and as long as the Trump administration pursues racist and bigoted policies, Trump supporters will be called out for it. If they don't like that, then maybe they should consider pulling their support.

I'm not going to "play nice" as long as his supporters enable the destruction of my beloved country.

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Zombie said:
Well, for a bunch of non-bigots they seem to be pretty OK with a clearly bigoted Trump administration.

Where are all the non-bigoted Trump supporters calling for the removal of Seb Gorka and Steve Bannon from the white house?

As long as those men are in the administration, and as long as the Trump administration pursues racist and bigoted policies, Trump supporters will be called out for it. If they don't like that, then maybe they should consider pulling their support.

I'm not going to "play nice" as long as his supporters enable the destruction of my beloved country.

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Those who want a scary insight into Bannon, should read the book "Devil's Bargain" it's a NY Times bestseller. Bannon is not only a deplorable racist, but he's a crazy *** attention seeker who wants to bring about anarchy. The dude crazy in the same "Ed Snowden/Matt Drudge F everything and everyone sort of way."

https://www.amazon.com/Devils-Barga...qid=1502581901&sr=8-1&keywords=devils+bargain
 
Fine, have at it. dont be surprised when you don't get anywhere and people tend to tone you out.
 
Stoked said:
Fine, have at it. dont be surprised when you don't get anywhere and people tend to tone you out.
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I'll bite.

Not all Trump supporters are racists. In fact, I think many more voted for him as a vote against the Clinton Dynasty and the GOP establishment.

However, many of his ardent supporters, who surged him in the polls after he came out insulting Mexicans, fueled him through the primaries, and then supported him in the general despite his awful Billie Bush tape, are racists.

I'm not talking about your neighbor who voted for Romney last time and leans conservative. They probably hoped he'd accomplish a few things after elected and are currently giving him a negative approval rating right now.

I'm talking about these Brietbart obsessed, meme posting, Alex Jones brainwashed, KKK marching in Virginia deplorables. How much of Trump's base actually consists of these radicals? I'm honestly not sure. And i'm not sure if there's a real adequate way of measuring. Maybe we'll find out in the polls at some point if his approval rating drops so bad that only his racist base likes him? I don't know.

But I think it's safe to say that [MENTION=1988]Stoked[/MENTION] that Donald's base is supported by more racism/racists than Obama's, Romney's, McCain's, or Bush's, right?
 
The Thriller said:
Trump's weak *** speech today torpedoes your argument. If he wasn't afraid of offending his most ardent supporters then why did he give such a weak *** speech?

He's not afraid of flying off the handle to insult the media or major world leaders.

But call put these racist scumbags for the cockroaches they are? Suddenly he gives a weak impotent too Politically correct response.
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Trump either really believes in White Nationalism or really sees it as a political advantage for him. I tend to think he actually believes in White Nationalism. His appointees and his focus so far as President make it hard to draw any other conclusion.
 
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