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Red said:
Dutch would have people believe that Antifa started the violence in Charlottesville. Yet, according to members of the clergy, who were there to oppose the message of hate by white nationalists and Neo Nazis, the Antifa actually protected those members of the clergy from harm by Unite the Right marchers. They did not start the violence at all. Here are some witness statements:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...ft_was_actually_doing_in_charlottesville.html

"I am a pastor in Charlottesville, and antifa saved my life twice on Saturday. Indeed, they saved many lives from psychological and physical violence—I believe the body count could have been much worse, as hard as that is to believe. Thankfully, we had robust community defense standing up to white supremacist violence this past weekend. Incredibly brave students held space at the University of Virginia and stared down a torch-lit mob that vastly outnumbered them on Friday night. On Saturday, battalions of anti-fascist protesters came together on my city’s streets to thwart the tide of men carrying weapons, shields, and Trump flags and sporting MAGA hats and Hitler salutes and waving Nazi flags and the pro-slavery “stars and bars.”
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but every other protest the counter protesters came. while the original right wing protestors where unarmed. they get beat up. and police was nowhere to be found. so sooner or later it will escalate. if the law is not protecting your right to free speech, you might have to take it in your own hand. you might not have known about all these other cases of violence because the mainstream media is complicit!

i am not looking at it as an isolated incident that is just shortsighted! so the first violence was from antifa during other marches and protest. and sadly it led to a scumbag driving over a person from the other side. this is just plane old tribalism
 
why is it ok to spout communist ****

why is it ok to wave the cicle and hammer.

the cicle and hammer isjsut as despicable as the swastika.

the cicle and hammer did worse thing to it's people. murdered more people!

we either accept people to be free to wave both! or we start censoring everything and throw everyone into a gulag! for thoughtcrime!
 
why is it ok to spout communist ****

why is it ok to wave the cicle and hammer.

the cicle and hammer isjsut as despicable as the swastika.

the cicle and hammer did worse thing to it's people. murdered more people!

we either accept people to be free to wave both! or we start censoring everything and throw everyone into a gulag! for thoughtcrime!
 
Explain this to me. If you do not support Antifa, which stands literally for Anti-Fascist, does that mean you're Pro-Fascist?
 
JustTheTip said:
Are there only two sides? No? Then no.
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Does this also apply with other terrorist groups like ISIS, or maybe Islamic extremism? Cause I'll tell you right now I'm definitely anti both of those. How do you think the country would react if ISIS supporters held a rally in NYC? Would you blame the anti-ISIS protesters if violence broke out. Why or why not?

While obviously freedom of speech is important, and there's no way it's ever going away in America, it's a strawman and you all know it. This is not an issue of FOS as much as the apologists want it to be. This is about violent, domestic terrorists being put in a position to kill civilians because they have a permit. Even more so about our dumb **** president, who's just a little racist - not like white nationalist racist, is setting us back to post-Civil Rights America.
 
BabyPeterzz said:
Explain this to me. If you do not support Antifa, which stands literally for Anti-Fascist, does that mean you're Pro-Fascist?
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Is this reason enough to not support ANTIFA? I come from a country that doesn't have very good experiences with the hammer and the sickle, do I have permission to oppose groups who identifies with that ideology, or does that mean I'm automatically a Nazi?
 
BabyPeterzz said:
Does this also apply with other terrorist groups like ISIS, or maybe Islamic extremism? Cause I'll tell you right now I'm definitely anti both of those. How do you think the country would react if ISIS supporters held a rally in NYC? Would you blame the anti-ISIS protesters if violence broke out. Why or why not?

While obviously freedom of speech is important, and there's no way it's ever going away in America, it's a strawman and you all know it. This is not an issue of FOS as much as the apologists want it to be. This is about violent, domestic terrorists being put in a position to kill civilians because they have a permit. Even more so about our dumb **** president, who's just a little racist - not like white nationalist racist, is setting us back to post-Civil Rights America.
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Da **** you talkin bout Willis? Course I'd say nuthin if a ISIS rally occurred an they were peaceful.


Inciting violence? Take em or the KKK or whoever out but spoutin off? Let them drunks be there stupid self.


Hells sakes child don't you member the reaction from those all y'all liberals callin alt right after that Muslim cathedral bombing an claimin they all racist supporters? Everone CONDEMNED it.


That sound like a bunch if alt right racist Trump supporters to you? NO!
 
Boris said:
Da **** you talkin bout Willis? Course I'd say nuthin if a ISIS rally occurred an they were peaceful.


Inciting violence? Take em or the KKK or whoever out but spoutin off? Let them drunks be there stupid self.


Hells sakes child don't you member the reaction from those all y'all liberals callin alt right after that Muslim cathedral bombing an claimin they all racist supporters? Everone CONDEMNED it.


That sound like a bunch if alt right racist Trump supporters to you? NO!
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wat?
 
Tak said:
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Is this reason enough to not support ANTIFA? I come from a country that doesn't have very good experiences with the hammer and the sickle, do I have permission to oppose groups who identifies with that ideology, or does that mean I'm automatically a Nazi?
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No, it's not. Nazi's killed 6 million people. Not counting the Russian troops killed in battle. Why do you feel the need to defend Nazi's?
 
BabyPeterzz said:
wat?
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Let me help you out.


Wanna cry wolf go cry wolf an git a nother Trump.


Wanna talk about something meaningful talk about the Minnesota MOSQUE BOMBING an how Trump AN the media ain't commentin on it cause they playin y'all in this political game. Y'all are distracted so what the biased media care?
 
BabyPeterzz said:
No, it's not. Nazi's killed 6 million people. Not counting the Russian troops killed in battle. Why do you feel the need to defend Nazi's?
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C'mon man. You can't honestly believe just because you dislike ANTFI means you are defending Nazis.
 
Stoked said:
It's not cowardly at all. Not even remotely. But I can see how it looks that way.

As for the bold, good!!! Supporting free speech does not mean maintaining silence or feigning agreement. Far from it. It means speaking your mind IMO. YOu (generally speaking) do not have to accept it. I have spoken up before, forcibly, and will so again when I encounter this disgust irl.

But if they are marching, holding a rally or whatever I will not try to shut it down by violence. If I am there I will chant, hold signs, protest and contest but non violently. I won't start the fight. Now if they instigate the violence than I will defend myself.

This is where I feel Trump went wrong, was there violence at this protest? Absolutely. But I feel that in this case it was started by only one side. Then further escalated by that side with the car attack. He should have called them out by name the first time.

Attempts to calm down the growing trend can come later.
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Should cops arrest people that assault Nazis? yep
Should that stop people from doing it? nope

I would simply heckle a Trump rally but I won't abide a torch march in my city. Sorry
 
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