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This isn't a very good trick. I can see the string.
♪alt13
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Confederates would not be remembered at all had they not fought a war to preserve slavery. Attempting to preserve slavery and the suppression of black rights following the war is the whole of their legacy. That should not be celebrated, venerated, or put on any pedastal.
Thomas Jefferson on the other hand would be remembered had he owned slaves or not. We do not celebrate him having owned slaves. We celebrate his accomplishments and his words not his failure to live up to them.
Jonah
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You stop at monuments honoring the Confederacy. It can and will stop there because outside of a few loons there is no equivalence between widely honored and beloved founders like Washington and Jefferson, flawed on slavery as they may have been, and traitors to their country like Lee, Jackson and Forrest.
Concerning history, there isn’t much varied opinion on Benedict Arnold or fretting about why there are no monuments to his heroism at Saratoga before he betrayed his country. He remains an important part of American culture, just through history books, and not in bronze in public parks. Twenty years from now Lee, Jackson and Forrest will have joined Arnold, nothing remotely wrong or worrisome about that.
And yes, pulling down any monument to Nathan Bedford Forrest, a founder and first Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, is helpful in combating racism. Racism is not an either/or problem, it’s not wear the hood and burn the cross or don’t, but a continuum, from mild prejudicial thoughts and feelings that may never be expressed to dozens of more tangible degrees.
What in our society has made celebrating slavery specifically a slippery slope? Seems pretty cut and dry to me. We had slavery, we realized slavery was morally unacceptable, and we fought ourselves over getting rid of it. Those that fought for it should not be celebrated.
What's so slippery about that, exactly?
What's so slippery about that, exactly?
Oh bull ****. I know plenty of good folk from West Point an they defend Benedict Arnold.
But yeah let us stop at tearin down American history only. No need to nuke the pyramids, from ya know, racist ****ing slave drivers. Keep them cause they weren't white keep them cause history. Do not blow up Aztec alters cause history. Only blow up USA monuments cause race shame white priveledge an we all suck!
Stupid argument.
We're not world police. Live and let die man.. We have a hard enough time working with issues within our country.
If confederate monuments were thousands of years old they'd certainly be off limits. Most of the confederate monuments aren't even from the era just following the civil war. They aren't even 100 years old.
And you might want to check your facts on the Pyramids, most likely not built by slaves.
Like Dutch axe Who Are You To Decide?
Anyway lol ESPN just fired a ASIAN man named Robert Lee cause of his name lol liberals are outta control with there pc bullcrap. Nuke a nother pyramid!
Robert Lee was NOT fired. He was reassigned because ESPN was concerned about "offending idiots." Looks like in your case they failed, one idiot in particular ended up being offended anyway. Lee still has a job with ESPN.
ESPN re-assigning Lee was stupid. It really was.
I am still not in favor of having monuments for a movement that fought against my country on government property. Yes, we need to remember but there are better ways of doing that IMO. The public rioting and tearing them down is not the way to remove them either. You do it through your elected leaders and have them removed and placed in museums and what not.
Edit: This is an issue that I have actually changed my stance on over the last few years. I used to be opposed to removing them regardless of how it was done. But after talking the dreaded "other side" I have a better appreciation of the issue and the points of those in favor of removing them.
I am still not in favor of having monuments for a movement that fought against my country on government property. Yes, we need to remember but there are better ways of doing that IMO. The public rioting and tearing them down is not the way to remove them either. You do it through your elected leaders and have them removed and placed in museums and what not.
Edit: This is an issue that I have actually changed my stance on over the last few years. I used to be opposed to removing them regardless of how it was done. But after talking the dreaded "other side" I have a better appreciation of the issue and the points of those in favor of removing them.
Red
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I believe I would draw the line where Civil War battlefield sites are concerned. The National Park Service has announced they will not be removing Confederate Monuments at the sites of Gettysburg and Antietam, for instance. Some of these Confederate monuments denote the positions held by the various units of both armies during the particular battle. Monuments like that are part of the interpretive display that allow park visitors to understand how the particular battle unfolded, etc.
http://www.heraldmailmedia.com/news...cle_196d6588-56e9-5134-bd6f-232521e2523f.html
http://www.heraldmailmedia.com/news...cle_196d6588-56e9-5134-bd6f-232521e2523f.html
DutchJazzer
Banned
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/23/...versity-virginia-charlottesville.html?mcubz=1
[MENTION=145]Harambe[/MENTION] [MENTION=4984]Bulletproof[/MENTION] [MENTION=2530]♪alt13[/MENTION] [MENTION=3085]Red[/MENTION]
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ok they will stop at taking away jobs from people with certain names!
ooh your name is george? geroge owned slaves you ar enot allowed to work! change your name right now!
did not take long to prove they wont stop at statues!
it will not stop there! until we put a stop to this LUNACY!
give em an inch they take a mile!
isis, communist, nazis. all delted history by bruning books, destroying statues.
IT NEVER STOPS THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DutchJazzer
Banned
ooh and cnn is rpeorting the same thing, and other news networks on the whole spectrum!
so if yu do not trust new york times. se eit on fox, msnbc cnn, breitbart. all news sources are reporting it in some way!
so if yu do not trust new york times. se eit on fox, msnbc cnn, breitbart. all news sources are reporting it in some way!
DutchJazzer
Banned
if youa re a lefty triggering snowflake do not watch THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOJwjscqOUY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOJwjscqOUY
I certainly agree with this. The monuments at battlefields and museums and the like should be maintained as those are proper places for historical memory. And I do not think people should take it upon themselves to remove and/or destroy any monument but it should be through proper channels.
I do think that perhaps too much focus has been on the monuments themselves and not the fact that white supremacists are feeling emboldened by our current administration to rear their ugly heads. And the fact that people in my world are feeling that they no longer have to hide their racist tendencies because it is somehow more acceptable now.
Red
Well-Known Member
Take deep breaths. Until '"we" put a stop to this lunacy"? You're not an American citizen, remember? You do know that, right? Take a few deep breaths.
Remind yourself. You're not a citizen of the United States.
When you come right down to it, it's a domestic American issue, and therefore it's actually none of your business. It isn't "we", Dutchjazzer.
Remind yourself of that fact, take a few deep breaths, and maybe now and again try concerning yourself with issues pertinent to the Netherlands, for instance. Just a thought. I hate to see the ! key wear itself out on your keyboard....
DutchJazzer
Banned
Red
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Despite the headline to this article, it's actually a lesson about American history as it pertains to the Civil War and the Post Civil War era in the United States. [MENTION=146]DutchJazzer[/MENTION], since you probably know the least about American history where this subject is concerned, you might actually benefit from reading it. I won't hold my breath, though...
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/08/20/why-there-are-no-nazi-statues-in-germany-215510
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/08/20/why-there-are-no-nazi-statues-in-germany-215510
There is no need for substantive counter arguments when there was no substantive argument to begin with.
Lol
Did you bother giving this half a thought? At all?
I mean even for you this is dumb.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2017/08/22/espn-pulls-announcer-robert-lee-off-virginia-game-charlottesville-protests/592458001/
Great job finding the FAKEST NEWS YOU COULD FIND.