The Donovan Mitchell Hype Thread! (repository of highlights and effusive praise)

[Saint Cy of JFC]

But wouldn't most NBA level athletes who can jump off two feet also successfully be able to train to be competent at the NBA level at jumping off one foot?

Idk what you mean by successful. The guy can jump off 1 foot. He just can't play above the rim off 1 foot in traffic. I don't know if anyone with a 8'1 standing reach can. More important to learn to play below the rim off what he can do off 1 foot.

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[Saint Cy of JFC]

We really don't know how high he can jump off 1 foot because he always goes to his comfort 2 foot approach in space.

He uses 1 foot in traffic when playing above the rim is impossible for a guy his size.

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[Douchebag K]

I've heard so many people mention this in regard to Mitchell but I've honestly never heard discussion of jumping off one foot before.

What's up with this jumping off one foot thing? Why would a person who can jump well off two feet not also jump well off one foot?

Two foot jumpers give the defense a little more time to adjust and challenge the shot. I think at his height he'll really have to develop the ability to jump off one. Same as what Exum has had to do

 

[Jazzman_86]

https://youtu.be/BbE6QKNwB8k

 

[idiot]

I don't know if anyone with a 8'1 standing reach can.

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Dennis Smith Jr?

BTW, I'm suspicious of the 8'1" standing reach. Looks a little like the Pat Connaughton phenomenon. For someone of his height, a long wingspan and not a particularly long neck, 8'1" seems a little odd. The great one-footed jumper Russell Westbrook is only one inch taller w/out shoes and has a 2 1/4" shorter wingspan yet has an 8'4" standing reach.

 

[Tom Pitt]

We really don't know how high he can jump off 1 foot because he always goes to his comfort 2 foot approach in space.

He uses 1 foot in traffic when playing above the rim is impossible for a guy his size.

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That Wingspan, that standing reach tho (for a guy his size)

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Dennis Smith Jr?

BTW, I'm suspicious of the 8'1" standing reach. Looks a little like the Pat Connaughton phenomenon. For someone of his height, a long wingspan and not a particularly long neck, 8'1" seems a little odd. The great one-footed jumper Russell Westbrook is only one inch taller w/out shoes and has a 2 1/4" shorter wingspan yet has an 8'4" standing reach.

Nah, Dennis Smith is a 2-foot jumper too, though he is more explosive off 1 than Donovan is. Still, if you watch his dunk compilation from college, it's all 2-foot dunks save for 1 break-away dunk and one where he barely clears the rim after he splits a double team.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3h6DqMGsZ_k

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

That Wingspan, that standing reach tho (for a guy his size)

8'1 standing reach is about the average standing reach for a guy his height. I'm the exact same height as Donovan and I have a 8'1 standing reach.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Dennis Smith Jr?

BTW, I'm suspicious of the 8'1" standing reach. Looks a little like the Pat Connaughton phenomenon. For someone of his height, a long wingspan and not a particularly long neck, 8'1" seems a little odd. The great one-footed jumper Russell Westbrook is only one inch taller w/out shoes and has a 2 1/4" shorter wingspan yet has an 8'4" standing reach.

Your wingspan isnt exclusive how long your arms/hands are. Shoulder width plays a huge part in your wingspan.

 

[stitches]

Nah, Dennis Smith is a 2-foot jumper too, though he is more explosive off 1 than Donovan is. Still, if you watch his dunk compilation from college, it's all 2-foot dunks save for 1 break-away dunk and one where he barely clears the rim after he splits a double team.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3h6DqMGsZ_k

Lillard can jump both off 2 feet and off 1.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mOS1uuhUDA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0uX820eRZQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RUH5v1auaU

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Lillard is nice

 

[stitches]

Lillard is nice

I see a lot of Lillard in Mitchell(offensively). He wasn't great finishing around the rim in the first several years of his career either, but he learned how to use his body and developed his touch and skill around the rim and is now deadly even there. But Mitchell has similar off the dribble game and pull up game. He has to start hitting them at the level Lillard is doing it, but I think Lillard is a reasonable goal offensively for Mitchell.

 

[Jack Strop]

Lillard offensively and Mitchell at what he is defensively would be a superstar. Not ready to go there yet. I'm hopefully DM can be a plus defender, able to switch 1-3. Offensively, around 18 pts/per. And he needs to be a 3pt threat given the current makeup of the team.

 

[LogGrad98]

No reason Mitchell can't be great without hops off one foot, but it will hinder him a bit. He can learn to play within it, obviously he has at the collegiate level and in summer league, but the NBA furreal is a different thing. There have been a lot of great players that played below the rim, and we had 2 of them in Stockton and Hornacek. But their skill sets were much broader and elite in other ways. If Mitchell works on his game, he can improve both this one minor aspect and in other ways to offset it. But being billed an an explosive athletic two-way player the lack of this ability is a detriment and will be exploited against NBA level athletes.

 

[idiot]

Your wingspan isnt exclusive how long your arms/hands are. Shoulder width plays a huge part in your wingspan.

Yes, that's right. Just saying that if you look at DX's measurement's, DM's standing reach is quite on the low end of similar-height players with long wingspans. He's wider than most, but doesn't seem that much wider relative to his impressive wingspan. But I very well could be wrong in trying to figure out where he "should" be on this measure.

If the measurement is right, I think it's a reminder for the basketball world generally not to be so obsessed with wingspan as the sole measure of length. Standing reach (admittedly more important for Cs and PFs) should be looked at as well. And maybe we (Jazz fans generally) ought recognize that DM is more undersized (for a SG) than we sometimes think when we just refer to his wingspan.

 

[//r00t 4 Jazz]

https://youtu.be/BbE6QKNwB8k

Thanks for posting that, it's 30min but well worth the watch.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Yes, that's right. Just saying that if you look at DX's measurement's, DM's standing reach is quite on the low end of similar-height players with long wingspans. He's wider than most, but doesn't seem that much wider relative to his impressive wingspan. But I very well could be wrong in trying to figure out where he "should" be on this measure.

If the measurement is right, I think it's a reminder for the basketball world generally not to be so obsessed with wingspan as the sole measure of length. Standing reach (admittedly more important for Cs and PFs) should be looked at as well. And maybe we (Jazz fans generally) ought recognize that DM is more undersized (for a SG) than we sometimes think when we just refer to his wingspan.

I mean, he is a little shorter than Avery Bradley and his standing reach is a little shorter than Avery Bradley.

 

[idiot]

I mean, he is a little shorter than Avery Bradley and his standing reach is a little shorter than Avery Bradley.

Yet his wingspan is nearly 3" longer. As I look at all the guys in the DX database who have an 8'1"-ish standing reach, there are very few that have close to an 6'10" wingspan: George Hill and one or two others. The vast majority at that standing reach sit between 6'4" and 6'7" inch wingspans. Maybe his shoulders are indeed that much wider than almost everyone else. But that's why I'm suspicious of his standing reach measurement.

In any event, we'll just have to see how "long" he plays when he's in actual NBA games.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Yet his wingspan is nearly 3" longer. As I look at all the guys in the DX database who have an 8'1"-ish standing reach, there are very few that have close to an 6'10" wingspan: George Hill and one or two others. The vast majority at that standing reach sit between 6'4" and 6'7" inch wingspans. Maybe his shoulders are indeed that much wider than almost everyone else. But that's why I'm suspicious of his standing reach measurement.

In any event, we'll just have to see how "long" he plays when he's in actual NBA games.

What if his arms are the exact same length, but he just has broader shoulders and/or lower set shoulders?

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

I wonder if he'll eventually transition to the 1. Lillard was thought of as a combo-guard when he came in the league and then developed as the primary ball handler. If Mitchell is on the floor with Exum, I could see them trading off running different possessions.