Celtics @ Jazz; Wednesday, March 28th

[Cappy_Smurf]

I'd still take Boston until those other teams get good coaches.

Not over Cleveland. No way. As for the other teams, I think at least 1-2 will be better.

What if the trade falls through and IT is 70% or needs surgery? In that case, I agree with stitches on all those teams.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Not over Cleveland. No way. As for the other teams, I think at least 1-2 will be better.

What if the trade falls through and IT is 70% or needs surgery? In that case, I agree with stitches on all those teams.

Yeah, my bad, of course not over Cleveland.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Neither Boston nor Cleveland needs IT to be healthy to start the season. They can both coast through the regular season.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

If it were the west having him healthy to start would be a huge deal. In the East he can probably wait til 2018 to start playing and both teams would still be in the playoffs.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

If it were the west having him healthy to start would be a huge deal. In the East he can probably wait til 2018 to start playing and both teams would still be in the playoffs.

Yes but if he elects surgery now he might be out all year. I think it likely hampers him all year. I think ainge might have known it was bad and just downplayed it when it was to his advantage to do so. Then Cleveland looked and said bruh you sold us a lemon.

Maybe he gets healthy but at this point I think Cleveland has more leverage.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Yes but if he elects surgery now he might be out all year. I think it likely hampers him all year. I think ainge might have known it was bad and just downplayed it when it was to his advantage to do so. Then Cleveland looked and said bruh you sold us a lemon.

Maybe he gets healthy but at this point I think Cleveland has more leverage.

No way in hell is he getting surgery. If he really needed it he would have gotten it himself. He isn't going into his contract year with major hip surgery.

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[Handlogten's Heros]

No way in hell is he getting surgery. If he really needed it he would have gotten it himself. He isn't going into his contract year with major hip surgery.

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What if resting isn't working though... he just gonna gimp through the season. I really think Ainge figured out that surgery might be necessary and tried to move him for a replacement and so that he doesn't have to pay a guy coming off hip surgery.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

He's had three months off and can't run yet.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

What if resting isn't working though... he just gonna gimp through the season. I really think Ainge figured out that surgery might be necessary and tried to move him for a replacement and so that he doesn't have to pay a guy coming off hip surgery.

I find it hard to believe Boston lied to Cleveland when discussing IT's hip as there is nothing positive that can come from it on their end. This just feels like Cleveland playing the media to try and get more out of Boston.

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[Handlogten's Heros]

I find it hard to believe Boston lied to Cleveland when discussing IT's hip as there is nothing positive that can come from it on their end. This just feels like Cleveland playing the media to try and get more out of Boston.

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So it's hard to believe Boston is lying but the cavs totally are?

NBA teams have been deceitful in the past on this stuff and ainge is not on the short list of dudes I'd trust in NBA front offices.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I think there is a 50/50 shot IT needs surgery and the cavs want rozier or a first to shore up the position... I assume they'd move the first to get help if need be.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

So it's hard to believe Boston is lying but the cavs totally are?

NBA teams have been deceitful in the past on this stuff and ainge is not on the short list of dudes I'd trust in NBA front offices.

What did Boston have to gain by lying knowing Cavs would do testing?

Easy to tell what Cavs are doing.

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[Handlogten's Heros]

What did Boston have to gain by lying knowing Cavs would do testing?

Easy to tell what Cavs are doing.

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They sell them on it being better than it is and then hope the pass him on the physical anyway because the deal is so close to the finish line and the cavs have a rookie GM. They said it was worse than they thought... so worse than they were told them. They might have thought they'd pass him anyway.

Trades get voided for injuries and medical stuff... sometimes things get misdiagnosed... I don't think Cleveland is trying to eek out more assets when they think IT will really be fine. The deal was good for them if IT is healthy.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

They sell them on it being better than it is and then hope the pass him on the physical anyway because the deal is so close to the finish line and the cavs have a rookie GM. They said it was worse than they thought... so worse than they were told them. They might have thought they'd pass him anyway.

Trades get voided for injuries and medical stuff... sometimes things get misdiagnosed... I don't think Cleveland is trying to eek out more assets when they think IT will really be fine. The deal was good for them if IT is healthy.

Lmao its already been reported they are asking for more

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[Handlogten's Heros]

What did Boston have to gain by lying knowing Cavs would do testing?

Easy to tell what Cavs are doing.

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Easy? Nah they lose this deal and IT is healthy it's a huge risk for another first rounder. They get a premium pick and two great pieces while saving 30M... then say hey we can get some more if we act displeased with the physical.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Lmao its already been reported they are asking for more

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I know they are... because they think IT is not as healthy as they were told and they need other assets to replace him.

I don't think this is a power play by a rookie GM... I think they have reason to doubt the guy can play this year. It's like doing a home inspection when you know there is an issue but you find out it is much worse... better get some more value or it's a bad deal.

 

[Jack Strop]

Easy? Nah they lose this deal and IT is healthy it's a huge risk for another first rounder. They get a premium pick and two great pieces while saving 30M... then say hey we can get some more if we act displeased with the physical.

I don't think that's the case. All indications were that IT would be ready for the season. I don't recall reading anywhere that he would miss time. So if he does need surgery or will miss significant time, that's a huge loss for Cleveland. Who's their backup PG? They have absolutely zero depth and would struggle to win. And it is all about "win now" for the Cavs. They can't afford to be a .500 team. It's contender or bust due to Lebron's impending free agency.

Cleveland needs to quickly entertain other offers for Kyrie or at least get Rozier. Would any of us be surprised if Ainge purposely downplayed IT's injury during trade talks? Probably said it was just a flesh wound (rep if any of you understand that reference).

Anyone up for offering Cleveland Dante and Favs for Love? That gives Cleveland a PG and a pretty decent rotation of Favs and Crowder at the 4. They can go big or small depending on matchups.

 

[Getting Traded]

I don't think that's the case. All indications were that IT would be ready for the season. I don't recall reading anywhere that he would miss time.

I do recall surgery was recommended, but apparently and I don't know whose decision it was, IT opted out and believed he didn't need it. Maybe Ainge knew more than he let on, which wouldn't be surprising. But even if IT were to miss the year (don't know how long he would miss with surgery), I think the deal is a good one for Cleveland. They get rid of a disgruntled player, they get a major pick, and one solid and another possible rotation player, and an All-Star who's on the mend. They've got LeBron who can play Point Forward, and Rose and Calderon can hold down the fort until IT comes back.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I don't think that's the case. All indications were that IT would be ready for the season. I don't recall reading anywhere that he would miss time. So if he does need surgery or will miss significant time, that's a huge loss for Cleveland. Who's their backup PG? They have absolutely zero depth and would struggle to win. And it is all about "win now" for the Cavs. They can't afford to be a .500 team. It's contender or bust due to Lebron's impending free agency.

Cleveland needs to quickly entertain other offers for Kyrie or at least get Rozier. Would any of us be surprised if Ainge purposely downplayed IT's injury during trade talks? Probably said it was just a flesh wound (rep if any of you understand that reference).

Anyone up for offering Cleveland Dante and Favs for Love? That gives Cleveland a PG and a pretty decent rotation of Favs and Crowder at the 4. They can go big or small depending on matchups.

Second paragraph is exactly my point... ainge has downplayed this. Maybe they thought rest would work... they were letting the inflammation go down before making a decision. Cavs would only risk losing this deal if there were legit concerns that he would miss significant time and may ultimately need surgery.

IT likely wanted the rest route too because of his impending free agency. I'm no doctor but when I read about what is happening in his hip it didn't seem like rest alone would get rid of this issue. Sounded like something he would manage... now after 3 months he still can't run.

Rose is clevelands backup which is a solid backup option.

 

[infection]

I think Cy sees this as very black and white (either Ainge is an honest, upfront guy or he's a dishonest, scheming scumbag), which is no wonder why he doesn't seem to appreciate that even those at the highest level still have all the human characteristics as the rest of us. Interestingly, as already mentioned, he doesn't seem to have an issue with believing Cleveland is being dishonest. Also, with regard to the whole medical evaluation thing, it's also not black and white. You can't just plug in all the variables and expect some kind of science to compute you the same answer every time. Ainge could have very well known his health is a bigger issue than being let on but figured he could roll the dice on an independent evaluation (as he probably had many conflicting medical evals in his own camp anyway). This was kind of the crux of the whole Bosh issue (assuming that there's a universal standard agreement in medical evaluations), and an issue I'll eventually readdress.

Cleveland certainly could be blowing steam, but would they sacrifice what they thought was a good deal (if they assumed IT was healthy enough) to hold out for a draft pick? Seems awfully risky and shortsighted. However, if they felt iffy about the deal to begin with then it's possible this pushes them over the edge. But, if it's too late for Boston to back out (based on rules or what have you), then maybe they really are messing with him.