NPR says 10% of Bernie supporters voted Trump
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well, as burned out as I am, still, with NPR.... working in labs at the U with folks who couldn't function without it.... , frankly, I'm surprised it was only 10% 60% at least has gotta be the true stat.
Dem Party did Bernie dirty, and most of his folks were mainly interested in breaking the CFR stranglehold on the country any way they could. Lots of conservatives were Bernie people.... maybe populist idealists who just want the govmint to die and rot. You'd be surprised how many commies will vote for the rankest constitutionalist on the ballot. both are sick, gut sick, of the Bigs running the world.
I woulda voted for Bernie over Jeb.
Dem Party did Bernie dirty, and most of his folks were mainly interested in breaking the CFR stranglehold on the country any way they could. Lots of conservatives were Bernie people.... maybe populist idealists who just want the govmint to die and rot. You'd be surprised how many commies will vote for the rankest constitutionalist on the ballot. both are sick, gut sick, of the Bigs running the world.
I woulda voted for Bernie over Jeb.
Trump is not a constitutionalist. Trump is one of the least constitutional politicians in major political office in U.S. history.
And, btw, communism is not, in and of itself, against the constitution.
And also, I bet 99.9% of Bernie supporters would have no ****ing clue what you meant by CFR.
Red
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babe ascribes to people motivations that exist only in his own imagination. Take you and I for instance. In babe's universe we are being paid by George Soros to post here.
That is quite the claim Never Trumper.
Let me ask ya where is you an Thriller an Red an RJF praise of Trumps huge gains against the ISIS terrorist organization that supposably constitutional abiding OBAMA created.
No outrage from Never Trumpers bout that neither.
I have no idea what you're talking about.
Do you know the bill of rights? That the majority of the bill of rights is about the rights of the accused? If you don't go ahead and read over the first 10 amendments and once you read 4-8 get back to me. Eye opening for most "pro-constitutionalists."
I never saw this election as democrat v. republican. I always saw it as globalist v. wildcard.
What is wrong with globalism?
I mean I was in the US Navy. You want to talk about globalism? It doesn't get more globalism than the US military. Can we not take our own medicine?
Unfortunately no, we can't, not even close.
The Thriller
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Furthermore, from what I understand from conservatives, globalism to them is the accumulation of:
- foreign aid
- defense spending
- corporate welfare at the expense of local mom and pop stores
I'd love for conservatives to explain to me how any of that has stopped under Trump. Aside from pulling out of the Paris climate agreement, being an *** to Australia's PM when confronted with following through on our commitment of taking refugees, and praising authoritarian regimes in the Philippines and Russia, what has Donald done to make the United States less globalist?
Has foreign aid been cut? Are we not acting like the world's policeman anymore? Are all the poor people with high school diplomas in the rust belt now making $80k+ with awesome factory jobs yet? Are big corporations taking it in the shorts as mom and pop stores have exploded?
For a lot of people who have not studied the CFR, it would be useful to substitute "Goldman-Sachs", "Wall Street", "The Man", or possibly even "Republicans" in the sense of the old line Republicans being the folks who were the business community, or the social community Bigs, or whatnot.... whatever translates as the opposite of "the people". An older equivalent might be "bourgeoisie" perhaps.
In my lexicon it is anyone who is successful enough to have community leadership value, and stupid enough to accept the invitation to go to the Thursday dinners and listen to the speakers the Rockefellers select for your re-education. The CFR ranks, essentially, as a sort of voluntary re-education camp for people susceptible to flattery and hungry enough for "importance".
If you join (if invited), you are going to believe all is right with "the way things are" and "with the way things will be", under the careful management of old white rich men.
Trump, apparently, is not a member, although he is sufficiently aware of it to go, hat in hand, to the office of the current boss of the CFR to discuss his candidacy for President before announcing it publicly. And to be careful and solicitous of it's support by pointedly appointing many of it's adherents to powerful positions in his administration.... while pointedly declaring he's abolishing the whole program the CFR has established for our "good".
In my mind, folks like Jonah, maybe even Colton or Jason, would be immensely gratified to be invited in. I worked for a member for many years, and am related to several...... nice folks, generally. With good manners and a lot of intelligence and good sense... whatever it takes to ride the wave of the day to some kind of success.
But fundamentally wrong-headed.
In the general sense of the Constitution, people have inherent rights to believe and think as they may wish or prefer. It is however notable that communist beliefs are in some respects pretty much incompatible with the principles inherent in the schema of the Constitution.
For example, Marxist/communist ideologues generally hold that persistent beliefs incompatible with their program must be suppressed, and "enemies" of the envisioned better world.
The Constitution was deliberately framed to prohibit the establishment of prescribed beliefs of any kind.
For example, Marxist/communist ideologues generally hold that persistent beliefs incompatible with their program must be suppressed, and "enemies" of the envisioned better world.
The Constitution was deliberately framed to prohibit the establishment of prescribed beliefs of any kind.
It's a fair question who gives you two your talking points. Of course, maybe you find them in the news. Soros doesn't pay every fool who is useful, only the ones who are expert in political activism and willing to do as directed.
the general motivation of liberals is some form of poorly considered good intentions.... or knowing others who may be for any reason considered worth following. At the head of the line you will find very smart people who sincerely believe they should make the rules for the dumb sheeples.
I sincerely recommend Ron Paul as the one American politician who has the best answer to these questions. We need to be the strong defender, not the world cop.
The Thriller
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He's trash.
He's always one to appear on the cameras to spout off about his anti-government/libertarian drivel and then behind the scenes was known as someone who begged and pleaded for federal government handouts.
"The Lady Doth protest Too Much" applies to Paul. Repubs who whine about federal values and porn the most, are typically those who are balls... Or ***... Or whatever deep in immorality. See Larry Craig, Newt Gingrich, Dennis Hastert, and Mark Foley. Likewise, people like Paul, Paul Ryan, and their right's dream girl, Ayn Rand, all couldn't wait to get their grubby hands onto the federal government. Ayn Rand ranted nonstop for decades about the evils of gubbamint, then she lived off Medicare and Social Security handouts when her the time arrived.
Red
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I can only speak for myself here, babe. You may find this hard to believe, but the first time you associated me with George Soros, I had to look him up. I had heard the name before, but I really had no idea who he was. Still don't really, it just is not something that interests me.
Nope, I'm all on my own here. As a lifelong student of history, and with what I think is a strong understanding of human psychology and motivations, I recognized early what Trump was up to, and what he represented. I didn't even know that much about him before he descended the escalator in Trump Tower that day. I associated him with real estate and casinos. I've never seen a single episode of Celebrity Apprentice. If he enjoyed a status of some kind of pop icon, I missed it entirely.
Nope, I just recognized what I was seeing. I had always told my students and friends to try hard to understand the time and place in which they lived, that it was not an easy thing to do, but that without trying hard to obtain that perspective, one could easily sleepwalk through that part of history that was your's to live. So I recognized that the Russian interference in our election would have to become the biggest story of the election. I knew it could not be otherwise. Just took longer then I expected. And I recognized that if he did win, his governing style would consist of Twitter and campaign style rallies. Sure enough, that hunch was spot on as well.
I've posted many links, but they're not people I follow, just folks writing things I agree with, or that offer a perspective I find of value. I spend many days just reading on current events and the situation America finds itself in. But I'm largely on my own here, not part of any conspiracy. I'm certainly not alone in how I feel, but it's nothing more then an understanding of history and human psychology, and knowing how demagogues go about their business. No more complicated then that.
Surely you have a mind of your own, babe. So it shouldn't be that hard to believe others do as well. Studying history and human motivations just prepared me to see clearly when clarity and understanding was needed. Pretty simple....
candrew
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The one thing I loved about Paul is that after years of being the maverick of Congress the moment he was actually given any real power (Chairman of the Monetary Policy Subcommittee), he left Congress.