Donald Fires FBI Director who's investigating Russian Election Hacking

[Gameface]

ok

Do you understand how the justice system works? Bias is the most fundamental aspect. The defense is biased in favor of the accused, the prosecution is biased against the accused, the judge is biased in favor of evidence. Mueller will provide any evidence he collects to a prosecutor who will use that evidence to charge individuals with crimes. They will hire attorneys to defend them. Both sides will do everything they can to get the evidence they want admitted to the court, and to get the evidence they don't want entered thrown out. The court will apply the law. Do we still believe in the rule of law? I do. But I have a great fondness for the Constitution. So I'm like that.

 

[DutchJazzer]

Do you understand how the justice system works? Bias is the most fundamental aspect. The defense is biased in favor of the accused, the prosecution is biased against the accused, the judge is biased in favor of evidence. Mueller will provide any evidence he collects to a prosecutor who will use that evidence to charge individuals with crimes. They will hire attorneys to defend them. Both sides will do everything they can to get the evidence they want admitted to the court, and to get the evidence they don't want entered thrown out. The court will apply the law. Do we still believe in the rule of law? I do. But I have a great fondness for the Constitution. So I'm like that.

i understand how it works. but i have seen recently bias has influenced the justice system.
or maybe vias influencing the justice sytem was just fake news

 

[Boris]

You don't get that this has nothing to do with reporting in the media. There is an actual investigation taking place. That will be the determiner of facts. If at the end of the day Mueller comes up empty I will concede. Until then I will laugh every time you, babe and Dutch say the issue has been put to rest because the media doesn't report on it for a few days.

Fake news fuels investigations.

Taxpayer dollars are wasted investigating on fake news allegations.

People with knowledge an talent resign. A sceptic culture keeps remaining employees from doing there jobs properly. A buereau that is not meant to be politicized becomes corrupt.

All cause fake news.

 

[Gameface]

Fake news fuels investigations.

Taxpayer dollars are wasted investigating on fake news allegations.

People with knowledge an talent resign. A sceptic culture keeps remaining employees from doing there jobs properly. A buereau that is not meant to be politicized becomes corrupt.

All cause fake news.

Once again, what I'm concerned about is Mueller's investigation and the EVIDENCE it uncovers.

 

[Boris]

Once again, what I'm concerned about is Mueller's investigation and the EVIDENCE it uncovers.

An once again, I wonder if Muellers bureau is impartial or is it compromised by fake news pressures over the years?

 

[Gameface]

An once again, I wonder if Muellers bureau is impartial or is it compromised by fake news pressures over the years?

So you think they will fabricate evidence?

Yeah, we live in a post reality world. You will reject hard evidence because it doesn't fit the fantasy you've created. There is no truth, there is no way to know things. Wonderful.

 

[Harambe]

Fake news fuels investigations.

Taxpayer dollars are wasted investigating on fake news allegations.

Funny.. Real news fuels investigations.

 

[Boris]

So you think they will fabricate evidence?

Yeah, we live in a post reality world. You will reject hard evidence because it doesn't fit the fantasy you've created. There is no truth, there is no way to know things. Wonderful.

Dude all I is sayin is bureaucrocities should NOT be politicized.

Do you understand the political power that is wielded by politicized bureaucrocities?

I do not want fake news puttin pressure on are bureaucrocities an politizing em. But they do!

Most here speak like they would not appreciate a bureau influencing a election by leaking somethink. Fer example I do not want Donald Trumps tax returns leaked cause some dumb *** liberal at the ITS thinks it is her right to influence a election like that. I do not want some Hillary investigation leaked cause some conservative thinks he's protecting the flag. I do not want some PITA member infiltratin the FDA an usin it as her personal platform. I do not want judges or cops or jury members with personal vendettas against certain groups.

So why shouldn't I hate an abhor are slut media whoring thereselves out over this?

 

[Red]

Fake news fuels investigations.

Taxpayer dollars are wasted investigating on fake news allegations.

People with knowledge an talent resign. A sceptic culture keeps remaining employees from doing there jobs properly. A buereau that is not meant to be politicized becomes corrupt.

All cause fake news.

If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it. Or, the more you repeat that lie, the more people will start to accept it as truth. In Trump's case, he tweets repeatedly that the liberal media is "fake news", and that that is "the dishonest media". He does the same at every one of his rallies. To any objective observer, its long been obvious that Trump's definition of "fake news" is any news that does not cast him in a good light. If it's critical of him, if it relates information that may be damaging or may represent stuff he would rather not see related, it's "fake news". That is far from an objective standard. Indeed, that is propaganda.

Two of the best known examples of fake news were in fact promolgated by the Alt Right and conservative outlets like Fox News. Recently, Trump retweeted something tweeted by an alt right activist who in fact pushed those two discredited fake stories: Pizzagate on the one hand, and the murder of Democratic activist Seth Rich on the other hand:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-retweets-alt-activist-pushed-pizzagate-conspiracy/story?id=49221083

Trump just does not have high standards where truth is concerned. Pizzagate is well known enough. If one needs a refresher course on the Seth Rich bs conspiracy theory, here you go:

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...-conspiracy-theory-explained-fox-news-hannity

Fox eventually stopped promulgating this fake news story. I'm not sure if Sean Hannity continues to promote it on his radio show or not.

In any event, it's remarkable, at least I think so, that Trump utilizes the fake news meme to condemn any media outlet that publishers the truth! It's kinda diabolical, in that respect. And it has worked. An alternative universe has been created, not simply by Trump alone, he has had plenty of help from the Alt Right and conservative media outlets, but he has continually reenforced this narrative whenever he speaks to his base. And he pretty much only speaks to his base.

I have a close friend who supports Trump. He told me the other day that Trump was correct in saying there were "fine people" in the Friday night torch led march of people chanting "Jews will not replace us.", the night before the Charlottesville rally. I told him if he watched footage of that march, which I had saved, and would be happy to show my friend, and saw everyone chanting that, as well as chanting "Blood and Soil", and if he would still tell me some of them were "fine people", (my argument being what kind of "fine people" join such a march and chant those things in the first place), he refused to watch the footage, telling me "it's all fake news. I don't have to see it. It's fake".

And that, I submit, is what it has come to. Trump has repeated the "dishonest media" lie so often, to his base, that they no longer find it necessary to even so much as glance at the facts. Facts and Truth are beside the point. His base is comfortable and completely at ease living in their fake universe.

 

[Gameface]

Dude all I is sayin is bureaucrocities should NOT be politicized.

Do you understand the political power that is wielded by politicized bureaucrocities?

I do not want fake news puttin pressure on are bureaucrocities an politizing em. But they do!

Most here speak like they would not appreciate a bureau influencing a election by leaking somethink. Fer example I do not want Donald Trumps tax returns leaked cause some dumb *** liberal at the ITS thinks it is her right to influence a election like that. I do not want some Hillary investigation leaked cause some conservative thinks he's protecting the flag. I do not want some PITA member infiltratin the FDA an usin it as her personal platform. I do not want judges or cops or jury members with personal vendettas against certain groups.

So why shouldn't I hate an abhor are slut media whoring thereselves out over this?

You keep trying to bring this back to the media.

Mueller is a special prosecutor. A prosecutor is, by definition, biased. He is doing everything possible to get evidence to prove that Trump, his campaign and the Russians were involved in crimes. Our system is inherently tilted in favor of the accused, so Mueller needs to meet a very high standard to have any chance of getting convictions.

This is about real evidence, real crimes and ultimately the decision of the courts. The media is not directly involved in any of that.

 

[Boris]

You keep trying to bring this back to the media.

Mueller is a special prosecutor. A prosecutor is, by definition, biased. He is doing everything possible to get evidence to prove that Trump, his campaign and the Russians were involved in crimes. Our system is inherently tilted in favor of the accused, so Mueller needs to meet a very high standard to have any chance of getting convictions.

This is about real evidence, real crimes and ultimately the decision of the courts. The media is not directly involved in any of that.

How can you say investigators should be biased? NO! They may be inquiring but biased they should not. That is called witch hunting.

The job of a investigation is to collect all facts possible an come to a well documented conclusion that leaves bias out of said conclusion.

You would not want detectives tryin ta convict you no matter what cause they have bias against YOU.

 

[Gameface]

How can you say investigators should be biased? NO! They may be inquiring but biased they should not. That is called witch hunting.

The job of a investigation is to collect all facts possible an come to a well documented conclusion that leaves bias out of said conclusion.

You would not want detectives tryin ta convict you no matter what cause they have bias against YOU.

OK you don't get the adversarial basis of the U.S. justice system, that's cool. Bye now.

 

[Red]

How can you say investigators should be biased? NO! They may be inquiring but biased they should not. That is called witch hunting.

The job of a investigation is to collect all facts possible an come to a well documented conclusion that leaves bias out of said conclusion.

You would not want detectives tryin ta convict you no matter what cause they have bias against YOU.

Do you even have the slightest inkling at all of the quality of the investigative team that has been assembled by Robert Mueller?? Are you that clueless? You can dig much deeper into any single one of these individuals and what you learn will only grow more mpressive if you do. It's only a witch hunt to you because Trump called it a witch hunt, and he called the conclusions of our intelligence agencies a hoax. But, bear in mind, neither Donald Trump nor Boris have any credibility whatsoever in these matters. Zero credibility.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/inside-robert-muellers-army

 

[Boris]

OK you don't get the adversarial basis of the U.S. justice system, that's cool. Bye now.

LOL now we cannot even question the integrity of the investigating party? OK. Tell me more who has no understanding. You are letting Trump cloud yer vision.

Do you even have the slightest inkling at all of the quality of the investigative team that has been assembled by Robert Mueller?? Are you that clueless? You can dig much deeper into any single one of these individuals and what you learn will only grow more mpressive if you do. It's only a witch hunt to you because Trump called it a witch hunt, and he called the conclusions of our intelligence agencies a hoax. But, bear in mind, neither Donald Trump nor Boris have any credibility whatsoever in these matters. Zero credibility.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/inside-robert-muellers-army

Daily Beast, nuff said.

First paragraph says 16 lawyers. We ALL know lawyers are out for one think to have a big case an make a name for thereselves. Erin Brockovich says hi.

First profile reads as a reckless madman hellbent on whatever it is he wants.

“This isn’t gonna ****in’ stand!” Weissmann yelled at one meeting where FBI officials discussed their differences with the Justice Department, according to that source.
It’s a trait that won him fans at the FBI, and countless foes among criminal defense lawyers. Weissmann generated enormous anger for the hardball tactics he used when he ran the Enron probe—especially his prosecution of the accounting firm Arthur Andersen, which resulted in more than 20,000 people losing their jobs and zero convictions. One prominent white collar defense attorney vowed that Weissmann would never work in private practice because he was so despised over the Andersen case. Despite that, Weissmann made a pit stop at the private firm Jenner & Block for a few years before returning to the FBI.

Yeah, note exactly a level headed person.

Than your DailyBeast goes on to esplain how MUelker has essentially created some ultra-government

 

[colton]

If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it. Or, the more you repeat that lie, the more people will start to accept it as truth. In Trump's case, he tweets repeatedly that the liberal media is "fake news", and that that is "the dishonest media". He does the same at every one of his rallies. To any objective observer, its long been obvious that Trump's definition of "fake news" is any news that does not cast him in a good light. If it's critical of him, if it relates information that may be damaging or may represent stuff he would rather not see related, it's "fake news". That is far from an objective standard. Indeed, that is propaganda.

Two of the best known examples of fake news were in fact promolgated by the Alt Right and conservative outlets like Fox News. Recently, Trump retweeted something tweeted by an alt right activist who in fact pushed those two discredited fake stories: Pizzagate on the one hand, and the murder of Democratic activist Seth Rich on the other hand:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/trump-retweets-alt-activist-pushed-pizzagate-conspiracy/story?id=49221083

Trump just does not have high standards where truth is concerned. Pizzagate is well known enough. If one needs a refresher course on the Seth Rich bs conspiracy theory, here you go:

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...-conspiracy-theory-explained-fox-news-hannity

Fox eventually stopped promulgating this fake news story. I'm not sure if Sean Hannity continues to promote it on his radio show or not.

In any event, it's remarkable, at least I think so, that Trump utilizes the fake news meme to condemn any media outlet that publishers the truth! It's kinda diabolical, in that respect. And it has worked. An alternative universe has been created, not simply by Trump alone, he has had plenty of help from the Alt Right and conservative media outlets, but he has continually reenforced this narrative whenever he speaks to his base. And he pretty much only speaks to his base.

I have a close friend who supports Trump. He told me the other day that Trump was correct in saying there were "fine people" in the Friday night torch led march of people chanting "Jews will not replace us.", the night before the Charlottesville rally. I told him if he watched footage of that march, which I had saved, and would be happy to show my friend, and saw everyone chanting that, as well as chanting "Blood and Soil", and if he would still tell me some of them were "fine people", (my argument being what kind of "fine people" join such a march and chant those things in the first place), he refused to watch the footage, telling me "it's all fake news. I don't have to see it. It's fake".

And that, I submit, is what it has come to. Trump has repeated the "dishonest media" lie so often, to his base, that they no longer find it necessary to even so much as glance at the facts. Facts and Truth are beside the point. His base is comfortable and completely at ease living in their fake universe.

"His primary rules were: never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it."

 

[colton]

"His primary rules were: never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it."

^^ OSS report on Hitler. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie

 

[Harambe]

^^ OSS report on Hitler. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie

... so Hitler DID evade capture, and is now posting as Boris?

This is a little hard to believe, Colton.

 

[Boris]

"His primary rules were: never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it."

Exactly like are media!

 

[Harambe]

Exactly like are media!

....or?

 

[Harambe]

Felix Sater is back, and making it even more difficult for President Donald Trump to write off questions about his ties to Russia.

Among the many characters who have populated Trump's checkered history in real estate, Sater is the guy with one of the diciest resumes. A career criminal with ties to both organized crime and federal law enforcement, he partnered with Trump for years on a series of high-profile and unsuccessful real estate deals, including the Trump Soho hotel and condominium in Manhattan.

On Monday, the New York Times and the Washington Post disclosed a series of emails involving Sater's efforts in 2015 and 2016 to help the Trump Organization build a Trump Tower knock-off in Moscow. There's is a little hitch that makes that noteworthy: Trump was also running for president at the time.

"Our boy can become president of the USA and we can engineer it," Sater wrote in an email to Trump's personal attorney, Michael Cohen, in 2015. "I will get all of Putins team to buy in on this, I will manage this process.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-08-29/felix-sater-is-a-lean-mean-trump-russia-machine